Value of: Starchy lhd prospect to LA

[CanadienShark]

What is a starchy player?

Like a "meat and potatoes" type?

 

[AlexModvechkin8]

Sounds decent. He's a big guy, does he play a physical game?

I think he's still growing into his frame and learning how to use it. He's not a bruiser but he's not afraid of contact and does throw some pretty big hits. Really good slapshot and a good skater for his size as well. There's a pretty good chance he lands on Washington's third pairing next year.

 

[Reaper45]

No Russians in LA. It’s been like oil and water forever and very few work out long term here. And even with that being said I’d still think about Romanov... or Sergachev. The Kings need a defenseman who’s a big/hard hitter who’s willing to drop the gloves and clear the crease but can do so without sacrificing offensive production. In other words they’re likely going to have to draft one.

 

[kinghock]

No Russians in LA. It’s been like oil and water forever and very few work out long term here. And even with that being said I’d still think about Romanov... or Sergachev. The Kings need a defenseman who’s a big/hard hitter who’s willing to drop the gloves and clear the crease but can do so without sacrificing offensive production. In other words they’re likely going to have to draft one.

That is why Kings should not trade their 1st round pick this year.

Defenseman who’s a big/hard hitter who’s willing to drop the gloves and clear the crease but can do so without sacrificing offensive production is very unlikely to be available in second round.

Also, LA should not spend assets in trade for Chuchryn who is not a big/hard hitter who’s willing to drop the gloves and clear the crease.

 

[Jimmyjets]

I really think there's a trade to be made with the Jets here as we have a surplus of NHL ready LHD but I would only consider Dillon, Stanley and Samberg as "Starchy" of that group.

I've suggested Dillon in the past as he's 24th in the league in hits does exactly what you're looking for but he is in his 30s so he's more of a next 2 seasons player than someone that becomes part of the core long term.

Logan Stanley was mentioned earlier and at 23 years old, 6'6, 220 lbs, 121 hits in 54 games. Had a gordie howe hattrick a few games back.

Dylan Samberg would be a third option but he isn't proven in the NHL yet and I'd prefer to keep him to take the spot of Dillon and/or Stanley if they are traded.

We'd be looking for RHD or Right shot forwards in return, which LA has plenty of. In no particular order (Doughty, Roy, Walker, Durzi, Clarke, Grans, Spence) I'd be interested in any of those last 4 or at forward Vilarid, Kupari, Fagemo, Thomas, etc.

We traded 2 - 2nds for Dillon last offseason coming off a down year and with a bounce back season we'd probably be looking for a bit better but similar return. Probably a late 1st or a 2nd + prospect type return for him.

Stanley was a 1st round pick that we've spent the time developing and is just breaking into the league so we won't be looking to sell him at a loss. He's mostly played bottom pairing minutes so far to great results last year and early this season when paired with DeMelo (who makes all his partners better) and not great results when paired with Schmidt (who appears to make all his partners worse). He Pks for us, etc.

Samberg is also 23 years old and was a 2nd round pick that looked really good in his 6 games this year. We all want to see more of him (and Heinola) but somethings got to give as we've got too many NHL quality guys right now that all look like top 4 options. We could keep everyone but the idea behind drafting BPA is that then you trade those players to address your areas of need.

I just think that our teams' match up well where we have a surplus of what you need and you have a surplus of what we need. Obviously different pieces have different prices but to me there is a trade to be made here.

 

[Reaper45]

Stanley could be a good addition. Walker, Fagemo, Thomas are the most likely to be traded.

 

[Kurrilino]

Valamaki for Vilardi?

This one has been shut down in 100's of threads

 

[Kurrilino]

I really think there's a trade to be made with the Jets here as we have a surplus of NHL ready LHD but I would only consider Dillon, Stanley and Samberg as "Starchy" of that group.

I've suggested Dillon in the past as he's 24th in the league in hits does exactly what you're looking for but he is in his 30s so he's more of a next 2 seasons player than someone that becomes part of the core long term.

Logan Stanley was mentioned earlier and at 23 years old, 6'6, 220 lbs, 121 hits in 54 games. Had a gordie howe hattrick a few games back.

Dylan Samberg would be a third option but he isn't proven in the NHL yet and I'd prefer to keep him to take the spot of Dillon and/or Stanley if they are traded.

We'd be looking for RHD or Right shot forwards in return, which LA has plenty of. In no particular order (Doughty, Roy, Walker, Durzi, Clarke, Grans, Spence) I'd be interested in any of those last 4 or at forward Vilarid, Kupari, Fagemo, Thomas, etc.

We traded 2 - 2nds for Dillon last offseason coming off a down year and with a bounce back season we'd probably be looking for a bit better but similar return. Probably a late 1st or a 2nd + prospect type return for him.

Stanley was a 1st round pick that we've spent the time developing and is just breaking into the league so we won't be looking to sell him at a loss. He's mostly played bottom pairing minutes so far to great results last year and early this season when paired with DeMelo (who makes all his partners better) and not great results when paired with Schmidt (who appears to make all his partners worse). He Pks for us, etc.

Samberg is also 23 years old and was a 2nd round pick that looked really good in his 6 games this year. We all want to see more of him (and Heinola) but somethings got to give as we've got too many NHL quality guys right now that all look like top 4 options. We could keep everyone but the idea behind drafting BPA is that then you trade those players to address your areas of need.

I just think that our teams' match up well where we have a surplus of what you need and you have a surplus of what we need. Obviously different pieces have different prices but to me there is a trade to be made here.

So you offer 3 players but also insist not to take losses even after underperforming.
Not sure this is a great base for trades.

So let's talk Stanley, what would be a realistic offer?

 

[freester]

Nope.

Kings have no interest in trading quality for quantity.

If you want LA to trade Faber to you it would be Faber with some ads for Power

Clearly not happening. No one values Faber anywhere near Power. How about a late first round pick and Johnson? Johnson has been very impressive but Sabres have an excess of LD.

 

[Kurrilino]

Clearly not happening. No one values Faber anywhere near Power. How about a late first round pick and Johnson? Johnson has been very impressive but Sabres have an excess of LD.

Just out of interest,
Why would we trade one of our most promising defense prospects for a late 1st rounder?
Just to draft another defender and hope he has the same potential is not a realistic trade.

Johnson has no value to us at all.
We are looking a huge defender who also can skate.
Johnson is the opposite of that

 

[kilowatt]

Byfield for Power and call it a day

 

[Jimmyjets]

So you offer 3 players but also insist not to take losses even after underperforming.
Not sure this is a great base for trades.

So let's talk Stanley, what would be a realistic offer?

Just trying to be realistic about what we paid and if there's any real pressure to move them or not. The team has underperformed but I don't think any of these players have.

For Stanley my first ask would be for one of the right handed Cs in Kupari or Villardi. (realizing it would be Stanley+)

If that was a no, then my second ask would be Helge Grans 1 for 1. Hopefully that would be a reluctant yes on both sides as we don't get any "right now" help but we do get a recently drafted prospect that I wanted us to take in the 2nd round that you beat us to.

If it wasn't a yes for Grans (I'd want to know why with Doughty and Clarke you wouldn't move this guy when you have lots of other options for your third pair RD) then I'd want to talk about Durzi or Spence and what deals with those players would look like. (I'd want adds with both these guys)

If it wasn't any of those guys then I'd probably look elsewhere but if I couldn't find a deal out there for a RHD with top 4 upside maybe I'd swing back around and ask for Fagemo + 2023 2nd. It would depend on what our scouts thought of Fagemo and if they thought he had top 6 upside or not.

 

[kinghock]

Clearly not happening. No one values Faber anywhere near Power. How about a late first round pick and Johnson? Johnson has been very impressive but Sabres have an excess of LD.

Again, Kings have no interest in trading quality for quantity.

 

[Fat Elvis]

Delete

 

[kinghock]

Just trying to be realistic about what we paid and if there's any real pressure to move them or not. The team has underperformed but I don't think any of these players have.

For Stanley my first ask would be for one of the right handed Cs in Kupari or Villardi. (realizing it would be Stanley+)

If that was a no, then my second ask would be Helge Grans 1 for 1. Hopefully that would be a reluctant yes on both sides as we don't get any "right now" help but we do get a recently drafted prospect that I wanted us to take in the 2nd round that you beat us to.

If it wasn't a yes for Grans (I'd want to know why with Doughty and Clarke you wouldn't move this guy when you have lots of other options for your third pair RD) then I'd want to talk about Durzi or Spence and what deals with those players would look like. (I'd want adds with both these guys)

If it wasn't any of those guys then I'd probably look elsewhere but if I couldn't find a deal out there for a RHD with top 4 upside maybe I'd swing back around and ask for Fagemo + 2023 2nd. It would depend on what our scouts thought of Fagemo and if they thought he had top 6 upside or not.

These are really fair offers in regard to Logan Stanley.

Durzi 1 for 1 is fine

Helge Grans 1 for 1 is fine

Fagemo + 2023 2nd is fine

 

[Kurrilino]

Just trying to be realistic about what we paid and if there's any real pressure to move them or not. The team has underperformed but I don't think any of these players have.

For Stanley my first ask would be for one of the right handed Cs in Kupari or Villardi. (realizing it would be Stanley+)

If that was a no, then my second ask would be Helge Grans 1 for 1. Hopefully that would be a reluctant yes on both sides as we don't get any "right now" help but we do get a recently drafted prospect that I wanted us to take in the 2nd round that you beat us to.

If it wasn't a yes for Grans (I'd want to know why with Doughty and Clarke you wouldn't move this guy when you have lots of other options for your third pair RD) then I'd want to talk about Durzi or Spence and what deals with those players would look like. (I'd want adds with both these guys)

If it wasn't any of those guys then I'd probably look elsewhere but if I couldn't find a deal out there for a RHD with top 4 upside maybe I'd swing back around and ask for Fagemo + 2023 2nd. It would depend on what our scouts thought of Fagemo and if they thought he had top 6 upside or not.

Your first 2 requests would be a direct no.
The 3rd one would be just trading for the giggles without anything changing.
Fagemo is a no go since he is projected as scoring winger and he is doing exactly that in the AHL

I can see your appeal in Spence and we have to give to get something.
So what are your thoughts on Spence? You want to have something added to him for any reason i don't understand.

Is there actually any chance if we could trade a package for a package?
I would like to bundle Stanley and Robertson together.
If we already send back Spence for Stanley, what would be the missing part for Robertson?

If that is a little bit too much of a movement, we can go back to Stanley for Spence

 

[Jimmyjets]

Your first 2 requests would be a direct no.
The 3rd one would be just trading for the giggles without anything changing.
Fagemo is a no go since he is projected as scoring winger and he is doing exactly that in the AHL

I can see your appeal in Spence and we have to give to get something.
So what are your thoughts on Spence? You want to have something added to him for any reason i don't understand.

Is there actually any chance if we could trade a package for a package?
I would like to bundle Stanley and Robertson together.
If we already send back Spence for Stanley, what would be the missing part for Robertson?

If that is a little bit too much of a movement, we can go back to Stanley for Spence

You're really good at picking out the guys I don't want and trying to make it seem like there is a lot of appeal there. I'm having trouble following this post unfortunately.

I'm assuming you mean the Vilardi and Kupari would be no.

Then we trade you a right now LHD for a prospect RHD to address weaknesses in both teams so I don't know what you mean by trading for the giggles without anything changing when this is the exact definition of a "hockey trade".

Then you say Fagemo is a no go but he's scoring at less than a point per game in the AHL (40 points in 54 games) as a 22 year old. That isn't ideal and his NHL equivalency looks like this:

So a guy that is trending as a middle 6 winger is a no go for a guy that is proven to be an NHLer that is 1 year older? For Jets fans reading this, he is 1 month older than David Gustafsson and scores at pretty much the same rate except Gus is a C and Fagemo is a W. We're thinking we might play Gus at 4C next year... maybe.

Spence would be the last of your RHD I would be interested in because he's undersized and we already have a bunch of medium sized guys in JMo, Pionk, DeMelo, Schmidt and Heinola so although he's a good puck mover, he isn't really what I'd want and since there's no pressure to move Stanley the Jets can be patient and wait for the right offer, not just settle for the first thing that comes along.

Then you talk about Robertson, which isn't a Jets prospect so I think you're a bit confused there.

Anyhow, I think the teams could make a larger trade too, but what I've proposed, in my opinion, is really fair and I wouldn't be happy if they moved Stanley for anything less. That would be just making a trade for giggles.

 

[Snowman]

If that is a little bit too much of a movement, we can go back to Stanley for Spence

I doubt theJets have any interest in that. They have enough small, puck moving defenseman. If that is all they can get for Stanley, you just keep Stanley.

 

[kings11]

What is a starchy player?

Like a "meat and potatoes" type?

Think LHD version of Erik Cernak

 

[bernmeister]

No Russians in LA. It’s been like oil and water forever and very few work out long term here. And even with that being said I’d still think about Romanov... or Sergachev. The Kings need a defenseman who’s a big/hard hitter who’s willing to drop the gloves and clear the crease but can do so without sacrificing offensive production. In other words they’re likely going to have to draft one.

By insisting on the bold as well you limit yourself to a unicorn search.
Not impossible, but very difficult.

 

[kinghock]

By insisting on the bold as well you limit yourself to a unicorn search.
Not impossible, but very difficult.

Kings wants to have our own Braden Schneider, if you do not mind​

 

[Kingspiracy]

What is a starchy player?

Like a "meat and potatoes" type?

Its probably not the best descriptive word, but in my poor old brain I consider a starchy player to be physical.

Stiff and crisp, like when you starch your shirts.

 

[Kurrilino]

You're really good at picking out the guys I don't want and trying to make it seem like there is a lot of appeal there. I'm having trouble following this post unfortunately.

I'm assuming you mean the Vilardi and Kupari would be no.

Then we trade you a right now LHD for a prospect RHD to address weaknesses in both teams so I don't know what you mean by trading for the giggles without anything changing when this is the exact definition of a "hockey trade".

Then you say Fagemo is a no go but he's scoring at less than a point per game in the AHL (40 points in 54 games) as a 22 year old. That isn't ideal and his NHL equivalency looks like this:

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So a guy that is trending as a middle 6 winger is a no go for a guy that is proven to be an NHLer that is 1 year older? For Jets fans reading this, he is 1 month older than David Gustafsson and scores at pretty much the same rate except Gus is a C and Fagemo is a W. We're thinking we might play Gus at 4C next year... maybe.

Spence would be the last of your RHD I would be interested in because he's undersized and we already have a bunch of medium sized guys in JMo, Pionk, DeMelo, Schmidt and Heinola so although he's a good puck mover, he isn't really what I'd want and since there's no pressure to move Stanley the Jets can be patient and wait for the right offer, not just settle for the first thing that comes along.

Then you talk about Robertson, which isn't a Jets prospect so I think you're a bit confused there.

Anyhow, I think the teams could make a larger trade too, but what I've proposed, in my opinion, is really fair and I wouldn't be happy if they moved Stanley for anything less. That would be just making a trade for giggles.lol

lol my mistake, for any reason Stanley was shown to me as Rangers prospect until i figured out it's not the NY Rangers.

So yeah, we can scratch Robertson

Kupari and Vilardi showing real improvement these days, they won't be traded.

When i talked about trading for giggles i meant Grans for Stanley,
they are too similar for a trade to archive something.

Fagemo is thought so highly off because we is a goal scoring winger. It doesn't matter that he doesn't assist.
He scores on a 0.5 goals pace in his rookie season which is quite impressive, so he is off the table.


After clearing all that up, we are left with Spence for Stanley i believe.
Let's talk

 

[CanadienShark]

Its probably not the best descriptive word, but in my poor old brain I consider a starchy player to be physical.

Stiff and crisp, like when you starch your shirts.

Ah alright. I just thought of potatoes and starches. Figured that was a pretty funny term, but it makes sense.

 

[DatDude44]

MN has a lot of LHD prospects. Need C's and RHD. Lambos, O'Rourke, Peart, Hunt, Warren in descending order of value.

O’rourke for Matt Kessel and Nikita Alexandrov