Speculation: Stammergeddon 2024: Is Stamkos going to re-sign with the Lightning?

[Todd1a]

I am going to equate our offer to the equivalent of 7.25mx4 years

How many teams out there are easily beating that? Probably a few, but I think it's competitive at least.

Again however, JBB has only offered 3m. At 3m it's a really bad offer.

Stamkos probably gets offered other teams 4 years 7 to 9 AAV probably easy

How the hell is your choice to keep Tanner jeannot over Stamkos ? WTH ?

 

[DFC]

I am going to equate our offer to the equivalent of 7.25mx4 years

How many teams out there are easily beating that? Probably a few, but I think it's competitive at least. Maybe Nashville.

Again however, JBB has only offered 3m. At 3m it's a really bad offer.

Right. The report is Stamkos wanted, let's just say 4.5 for simplicity's sake.

I mean, I guess JBB still has a couple of more days to sign it. If he really is just trying to get a better price. But if Stamkos ends up walking because we refused to pay him < 5m per year, here at the obvious end of our cup window? To me, you combine that with the Jeannot trade, and it's fireable.

 

[Rschmitz]

Stamkos probably gets offered other teams 4 years 7 to 9 AAV probably easy

I could see 9x2, 8x3, 7x4, maybe a little more. I think our offer is competitive to those

 

[Peacefool]

is there any bets on betting pages if Stammer resigns or leaves? what are coef?

 

[OurlordAndSaviorKuch]

If JBB/Management f*** this up and Stammer leaves us I will be angry.

You keep the Captain period he has done too much and meant too much to not keep.

Please don’t abandon us Stammer

 

[Rschmitz]

Right. The report is Stamkos wanted, let's just say 4.5 for simplicity's sake.

I mean, I guess JBB still has a couple of more days to sign it. If he really is just trying to get a better price. But if Stamkos ends up walking because we refused to pay him < 5m per year, here at the obvious end of our cup window? To me, you combine that with the Jeannot trade, and it's fireable.

I'm with you, this isn't a deal you should position yourself to make or force onto your team captain.

I'm just being honest with how I view the offer, It's not nothing. Making it an 8 year deal is huge, 5m is actually quite a bit for what value he'll bring us over that time, if it's front loaded that's 9.25m over 4 years, not team friendly at all. 4m or whatever however is a nice sweet spot.

 

[DFC]

I could see 9x2, 8x3, 7x4, maybe a little more. I think our offer is competitive to those

I don't think it's comparable with 9x2, because Stamkos at 36 is still likely good enough for another big deal under a cap that's closing in on 100m.

I mean... our offer was 3m. I think you're basing this more on Stamkos's reported ask than our actual offer.

 

[Rschmitz]

I don't think it's comparable with 9x2, because Stamkos at 36 is still likely good enough for another big deal under a cap that's closing in on 100m.

I mean... our offer was 3m. I think you're basing this more on Stamkos's reported ask than our actual offer.

I'm talking about front loading the contract so Stamkos gets the vast majority of the money he would have gotten over the life of the contract w/o having to actually plays those games.

 

[DFC]

I'm talking about front loading the contract so Stamkos gets the vast majority of the money he would have gotten over the life of the contract w/o having to actually plays those games.

I get that, but at 3m, it still doesn't get to that kind of number.

 

[Rschmitz]

I get that, but at 3m, it still doesn't get to that kind of number.

Agreed. 3m is trash

 

[Todd1a]

JBB his offer is so bad to stamkos makes me want to cancel my tickets 3 million per year for a guy that scored 40 goals while we paid jeannot almost 3 per year and he is absolutely trash

 

[Rschmitz]

3m over 8 years front loaded for four years looks like this

5.25m
5.25m
5.25m
5.25m
Retires
750k(4.5m cap hit)
750k(4.5m cap hit)
750k(4.5m cap hit)
750k(4.5m cap hit)

Pretty insulting when some team is likely offering you 9m on a short term deal

 

[Todd1a]

JBB DOES not want to move jeannot and admit that trade failed badly ego

 

[DFC]

I get that, but at 3m, it still doesn't get to that kind of number.

I mean, maybe he's going extra hard to try to shave as many pennies off as he can? And hoping Stamkos's ties to the team and the city don't make him just say "fxxx this guy" and leave?

lol, I'm not sure how I feel about that if that's the plan.

I guess what it comes down to is, if we actually lose Stamkos, in this exact situation (as opposed to something out of our control, or just too tough to make happen), all faith in JBB should be lost. There is no reason why this shouldn't get done.

 

[Todd1a]

3m over 8 years front loaded for four years looks like this

5.25m
5.25m
5.25m
5.25m
Retires
750k(4.5m cap hit)
750k(4.5m cap hit)
750k(4.5m cap hit)
750k(4.5m cap hit)

Pretty insulting when some team is likely offering you 9m on a short term deal

Why is there penalty’s ? He is under 35 years old

 

[dbieon12]

Panic time?

Lightning captain Stamkos likely to be free agent

The Tampa Bay Lightning and longtime star center Steven Stamkos, the team's captain since March 2014 who was a part of two Stanley Cup-winning rosters, are unlikely to reach an agreement on a new deal prior to the start of NHL free agency on Monday.

www.espn.com

 

[Rschmitz]

Why is there penalty’s ? He is under 35 years old

Two different penalties. There is a penalty for front loading a contract and then a player retires too.

Designed to prevent teams from abusing cap structure exactly the way we intend to abuse it.

 

[These Are The Days]

You're probably right about this. The leak makes JBB look awful. Almost certainly came from Stamkos's side.

It absolutely did. Everyone's been Don Meehan's mouth piece all day. All JFBB can do at this point is say "I guess there's no deal" and hope it is enough leverage to squeeze out a deal

 

[T REX]

We need some new blood and ideas. This yokel is a joke

 

[dbieon12]

So the window to win is NOW. Stamkos is a decent sized piece of that puzzle.

Edit: And I don't want to have to update my avatar.

 

[DFC]

It absolutely did. Everyone's been Don Meehan's mouth piece all day. All JFBB can do at this point is say "I guess there's no deal" and hope it is enough leverage to squeeze out a deal

I wouldn't have even been opposed to trading him at the TDL if we were so unwilling to bring him back (...offering him 3m). The thing that makes this so terrible is we are losing him for nothing, and we still won't have the money to adequately replace him without making a move. At least not at the price we could have paid to bring him back.

 

[Felonious Python]

Julien 'Diamond Hands' BriseBois

 

[bov]

If these leaked numbers are true, I feel better about his chances of being re-signed.

 

[TheDaysOf 04]

If you go back to 2016 Stammer was ready to test free agency then, and Yzerman stuck to his guns and was going to let him go.

Stammer met with the Leafs, the mayor of Toronto, and CEO of Canadian Tire on June 28th. According to Lebrun, Montreal, Buffalo, and a fourth team got to make in person pitches that week as well.

Stammer agreed to re-sign with the Lightning June 29th in the afternoon.



So, who knows what will happen, but as history shows there's still time to change things.

 

[Felonious Python]

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from The Athletic:

And again, I don’t know exact numbers being exchanged, but go back to what I know Tampa Bay tried to do to keep Alex Killorn last July 1 before he signed in Anaheim. The Lightning offered Killorn an eight-year deal with a $2.5 million AAV. He instead signed for four years at a $6.25 million AAV with the Ducks. But the concept for Tampa was to get the total dollars to Killorn at $20 million.

So I think the Lightning have done something similar here with Stamkos, though obviously higher than $2.5 million. My guess is around $3 million or so over eight years. But that’s not going to cut it. I would imagine Newport Sports would want something closer to $4 million to $5 million per year depending on how long the term is.

Either way, I certainly don’t believe Stamkos is being unreasonable. He really, really wants to stay.

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