Speculation: Stammergeddon 2024: Is Stamkos going to re-sign with the Lightning?

[DFC]

This isn't 2016. The Lightning do not have cap space, and the GM isn't hiding the fact that no moves will be made to create it.

We lowballed him last time but still made him the highest paid player on the team, and it was more about the team's internal cap structure -- To this day, no one has gotten a contract more than 1m higher. So, in hindsight, it was a pretty fair deal.

Where is all this talk of 3m coming from? Is that a thing that actually happened? EDIT: Found it.

 

[Rschmitz]

I just don’t understand why Brisbois doesn’t want to get rid of Sheary and Jeannot?

Because he doesn't want to overpay for a guy he doesn't wanna keep anyways

We lowballed him last time but still made him the highest paid player on the team, and it was more about the team's internal cap structure -- To this day, no one has gotten a contract more than 1m higher. So, in hindsight, it was a pretty fair deal.

Where is all this talk of 3m coming from? Is that a thing that actually happened?

Lebron says we offered him 3mx8yrs while his camp wants between 4 and 5

 

[DownIsTheNewUp]

Crazy to think the GM who won two cups here could go down as the worst GM in the teams history. Stamkos' ask is unbelievably reasonable. If JBB fumbles this it's the dumbest thing I've ever seen a Tampa GM do.

 

[DFC]

Because he doesn't want to overpay for a guy he doesn't wanna keep anyways



Lebron says we offered him 3mx8yrs while his camp wants between 4 and 5

OMG he should be fired right now.

If this wasn't done last fxxxing week with a 40 goal scorer asking for under 5m? Fire him. Now.

 

[Sky04]

WOW! So he did actually go with the 8 year offer

Look, this is actually much closer than I thought. IDK about 5m but if Stamkos is willing to take 4m than JBB HAS to make it happen.

If JBB offers Stamkos 4mx8yrs and Stamkos turns it down, he's forgiven. That is an honest offer IMO. Stamkos probably isn't going to see 30m offered on his next deal.

That's not even close to honest. Stamkos will easily get 8M by either 3 or 4 years on his next deal on the market guaranteeing himself 20-30m in half that time. That 30m is only guaranteed if he plays out the entire 8 years. Anything less than 7m per year is Stamkos doing this team a solid, 5M is just ridiculous steal.

 

[Todd1a]

We lowballed him last time but still made him the highest paid player on the team, and it was more about the team's internal cap structure -- To this day, no one has gotten a contract more than 1m higher. So, in hindsight, it was a pretty fair deal.

Where is all this talk of 3m coming from? Is that a thing that actually happened?

 

[Sky04]

OMG he should be fired right now.

If this wasn't done last fxxxing week with a 40 goal scorer asking for under 5m? Fire him. Now.

An absolute joke really, he's barely asking for like 50% of his market value. If rumors of Guenztal are true it looks like he wants to double dip by forcing Stamkos into a dirt cheap contract then making moves to clear space for Jake. Risky as it possibly leaves us with neither.

 

[Game suspension]

Stop. 8x3 is clown shit

It is essentially 4x6. Nobody wants to see him play at 40 years old. The guy has more money than he could ever spend now FFS. Sounds like he got bad advice. Let's see how much more he makes in free agency after taxes

 

[Rschmitz]

That's not even close to honest. Stamkos will easily get 8M by either 3 or 4 years on his next deal on the market guaranteeing himself 20-30m in half that time. That 30m is only guaranteed if he plays out the entire 8 years. Anything less than 7m per year is Stamkos doing this team a solid, 5M is just ridiculous steal.

If Stamkos retires in 4 years he'll be getting north over 7m if it's all front loaded. I think other teams could potentially pay more, but not that much more. I don't see teams offering him the term he wants and those that do aren't in a position to win now or have our advantages in weather/taxes etc.

If he wants to go to SJ, lose 12% off the top in additional taxes, and play for a bottom dweller, he could be offered more sure

 

[DFC]

An absolute joke really, he's barely asking for like 50% of his market value.

It's like he's trying to build for a future while also having no assets to build that future. This is just terrible management. There is no player we can get for that price who gets us closer to a cup than Stamkos. Not even close.

I've been fairly even keeled on both Stamkos and JBB, or at least I feel I have been, but JBB needs to be fired if we lose this guy because we won't pay him, like you said, HALF of what he could EASILY get on the open market.

It is essentially 4x6. Nobody wants to see him play at 40 years old. The guy has more money than he could ever spend now FFS. Sounds like he got bad advice. Let's see how much more he makes in free agency after taxes

Or he'll stay right where he is and go be a Panther for 5m, tax free. Anybody who can't make room for Stamkos at 5m, or less, is crazy. I don't think the Panthers are crazy. Apparently we are.

 

[JTBF81]

No one knows what JBB offered. All of this is based on a post where someone "guesses" or "thinks" they may have offered something luke that based on what happened with Killorn last year. Longer term would make sense in this case, but as far as aav, who knows. If it is am 8 year deal, they are probably not that far off and something could likely be figured out.

 

[gn2007]

Do 4m for 6 years christ this will do and is a hometown discount like JBB is a shitty GM if he thinks 4m or 5m for stammer is too much.

 

[Sky04]

If Stamkos retires in 4 years he'll be getting north over 7m if it's all front loaded. I think other teams could potentially pay more, but not that much more. I don't see teams offering him the term he wants.

Where does it say what term he wants? All it says is he's open to short or long term but the Lightning can't afford him short term because the number would be too high. Don't see him wanting a long term contract either why would he want to play past 40 for another club, that's just to help the Lightning out. I see him and whatever team wanting him agreeing to 3-4 year deal, that's best for everyone.

 

[Meuracas]

I wonder if this is all just part of the game, I still try to maintain hope that they will sort this out. If not I will need a little time off from watching the Lightning to be honest before I can return - this is not how you handle the long-time face of the franchise, captain and a Hall of Famer.

 

[ccman68]

I just don’t understand why Brisbois doesn’t want to get rid of Sheary and Jeannot?

sunk cost with jeannot. sheary has a ntc which makes it hard to trade him. wouldn’t be surprised if we buy him out

 

[DFC]

If Stamkos retires in 4 years he'll be getting north over 7m if it's all front loaded. I think other teams could potentially pay more, but not that much more. I don't see teams offering him the term he wants and those that do aren't in a position to win now or have our advantages in weather/taxes etc.

If he wants to go to SJ, lose 12% off the top in additional taxes, and play for a bottom dweller, he could be offered more sure

How does the recapture penalty work? Maybe that's why we don't want to go above 4? Even so, this is ridiculous. The cap is supposed to rise another 4 or 5 next year. That would pay for this.

 

[Rschmitz]

Where does it say what term he wants? All it says is he's open to short or long term but the Lightning can't afford him short term because the number would be too high. Don't see him wanting a long term contract either, that's just to help the Lightning out. I see him and whatever team wanting him agreeing to 3-4 year deal, that's best for everyone.

What I am saying is a 34 year old with an injury riddled history probably isn't playing into his 40's, if we front load his deal he'd be getting ~7m+ for the next four years, which will make us competitive with other teams offering him 8m on a 3-4 year deals. It's not the max Stamkos can get but it's not exactly nothing either.

That's if the offer is 4m+, 3m isn't close to being the same.

How does the recapture penalty work? Maybe that's why we don't want to go above 4? Even so, this is ridiculous. The cap is supposed to rise another 4 or 5 next year. That would pay for this.

Stamkos forfeits the remainder of his contract once he retires, we are responsible for the difference between his salary and AAV for the remainder of his term.

So for example, if we offered him 4mx8 years we could do

7.25m
7.25m
7.25m
7.25m
RETIRES
750k(6.5m penalty)
750k(6.5m penalty)
750k(6.5m penalty)
750k(6.5m penalty)

 

[DFC]

If Stamkos retires in 4 years he'll be getting north over 7m if it's all front loaded. I think other teams could potentially pay more, but not that much more. I don't see teams offering him the term he wants and those that do aren't in a position to win now or have our advantages in weather/taxes etc.

If he wants to go to SJ, lose 12% off the top in additional taxes, and play for a bottom dweller, he could be offered more sure

It won't be San Jose. There will be good teams who can easily come up with a better offer than this. Even ones in a tax free state. Nashville will almost certainly make a run. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if the Panthers try to clear some space to come up with 5m to keep Stamkos close to home.

Outside of tax free states, I think Boston will 100% make a big offer. Plus, yeah, some bottom feeder teams looking to sell a ticket or two.

Make no mistake, if the news dripping out is true, this is just as ridiculous as it looks. There's no way to put a good face on it.

 

[These Are The Days]

I wonder if this is all just part of the game, I still try to maintain hope that they will sort this out. If not I will need a little time off from watching the Lightning to be honest before I can return - this is not how you handle the long-time face of the franchise, captain and a Hall of Famer.

This is where I'm at.

We brought on McDonagh

We were apparently in on Guentzel

JFBB actually left the bat cave and broke silence, elaborating on a negotiation

Yeah. There's so much we don't know about. The second I heard he said something to the press, I knew something was up. Literally no one ever knows a thing about what we we doing until the moment the news breaks.

We. Don't. Leak. EVER

I am like 98% sure this is getting done. JFBB is playing chicken right now. If Stamkos actually walks then this really is a fireable offense. Vinik ain't gonna have that

 

[Todd1a]

Because he doesn't want to overpay for a guy he doesn't wanna keep anyways



Lebron says we offered him 3mx8yrs while his camp wants between 4 and 5

Stamkos agents leaked that to Lebrun to absolutely make JBB and the lightning organization look like a complete joke and they do for sure now

 

[T REX]

2 cups!

Now take our lumps!

 

[Todd1a]

This is where I'm at.

We brought on McDonagh

We were apparently in on Guentzel

JFBB actually left the bat cave and broke silence, elaborating on a negotiation

Yeah. There's so much we don't know about. The second I heard he said something to the press, I knew something was up. Literally no one ever knows a thing about what we we doing until the moment the news breaks.

We. Don't. Leak. EVER

I am like 98% sure this is getting done. JFBB is playing chicken right now. If Stamkos actually walks then this really is a fireable offense. Vinik ain't gonna have that

The money Vinik loses with Stamkos merchandise alone lol and will make the organization look real bad

 

[Rschmitz]

It won't be San Jose. There will be good teams who can easily come up with a better offer than this. Even ones in a tax free state. Nashville will almost certainly make a run. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if the Panthers try to clear some space to come up with 5m to keep Stamkos close to home.

Outside of tax free states, I think Boston will 100% make a big offer. Plus, yeah, some bottom feeder teams looking to sell a ticket or two.

Make no mistake, if the news dripping out is true, this is just as ridiculous as it looks. There's no way to put a good face on it.

I am going to equate our offer to the equivalent of 7.25mx4 years

How many teams out there are easily beating that? Probably a few, but I think it's competitive at least. Maybe Nashville.

Again however, JBB has only offered 3m. At 3m it's a really bad offer.

 

[Todd1a]

How does the recapture penalty work? Maybe that's why we don't want to go above 4? Even so, this is ridiculous. The cap is supposed to rise another 4 or 5 next year. That would pay for this.

He is under the age of 35 so I don’t think the penalty would be bad at all .

 

[DFC]

Stamkos agents leaked that to Lebrun to absolutely make JBB and the lightning organization look like a complete joke and they do for sure now

You're probably right about this. The leak makes JBB look awful. Almost certainly came from Stamkos's side.