Stamkos is cooked

[Rschmitz]

One thing that should definitely be mentioned is that with his lack of speed he was pushed off center, he used to get a ton of goals from the center of the ice and around the net, but those opportunities are not there anymore on the wing.

 

[VaporTrail]

Good organizations know when to move on from players.. good job TB

 

[ItWasJustified]

Good organizations know when to move on from players.. good job TB

Well, the Lightning offered him 8 years x $3 million and Stamkos declined. So it wasn't exactly the Lightning who moved on from Stamkos as it was Stamkos who moved on from the Lightning.

Unless you're in a camp that believes that the Lightning knew 100% that Stamkos wasn't going to take that offer because it was ''insulting'' and offered it to make him go to free agency.

 

[Luigi Lemieux]

That just more like feels pushing the same problem into the future instead of dealing with it in the presence

They gave Guentzel a 7 year deal and we are on year 1

Well yea that was the entire point. To give this core a few more years to compete. By year 5 of that deal Hedman and Kucherov will be old anyway.

 

[Rschmitz]

Well, the Lightning offered him 8 years x $3 million and Stamkos declined. So it wasn't exactly the Lightning who moved on from Stamkos as it was Stamkos who moved on from the Lightning.

Unless you're in a camp that believes that the Lightning knew 100% that Stamkos wasn't going to take that offer because it was ''insulting'' and offered it to make him go to free agency.

We don’t actually know what was offered, but that was indeed the rumor and probably accurate. It was also said the offer given to Stamkos wouldn’t change, so it was take it or leave it.

100% the team wanted to move on from him. Every player we wanna keep we re-sign a year out before they hit free agency. Like, everyone. Look at what we did for Hedman, we didn’t do that for Stammer.

JBB put forth this bullshit about needing cost certainty while also saying he’s an essential part of the team. If he’s a player you value, why re-sign the other guys early but not Stamkos? We don’t need cost certainty for them?

I’m not going to say that the $$$ being offered is insulting, but you don’t send a deadline take it or leave it offer to the face of your franchise if you want to keep him, that is what I disliked as a Lightning fan. Everyone knew he was cooked and that the team didn’t want him, but our GM kept saying “naw it’ll be fine we want him back” while self sabotaging his ability to actually sign him. He treated Stamkos and the fans like idiots.

If he said Stamkos would need to take a massive pay cut and a diminished role to stay, I think fans would be more understanding

 

[DFC]

Production aside, Stamkos got away with doing a ton of stupid shit while on the ice too, extremely careless passes, turnovers and defensive lapses that were just glossed over because he's Stamkos in Tampa, not surprised at all with those "detrimental" results - we've seen it for years. On the other side of that Guentzel almost never does anything stupid with the puck, an extremely solid and consistent player.

Yeah, somewhere in an earlier thread I mentioned his decision making was below average. And that was probably being generous.

He really is just a big shot these days. And he has been for a while.

His first few seasons in the league he was just as likely to get an odd man rush goal as he was to get a goal purely off his shot. He lost that elite speed after the Boston leg injury, his speed is now noticeably average/below average. For years his ability to generate offense on his own because of that has diminished.

He also had a lethal wrist shot that he doesn’t use as much any more thanks to upper body injuries. I think it’s purely psychological, because he still has that shot. I seen a stat last year that mentioned how he did more slapshots/ one timers than any other high scoring forward in the league. Historically this is why he’s struggled in the postseason, when the games are played tighter you have less of an opportunity to wind up your shots.


Still knows how to get to dangerous scoring areas of the ice, still knows what to do when the puck is on his stick, but if the other guys on the team don’t get him the puck in the o zone he’s a passenger. He defines the phrase power play specialist now.

With the wrist shot, I think he doesn't use it because he can't get himself in position to get it through very often. At least not in situations where the one timer isn't a better option.

 

[DFC]

That just more like feels pushing the same problem into the future instead of dealing with it in the presence

They gave Guentzel a 7 year deal and we are on year 1

Gotta take advantage of whatever's left of the window. Kind of hard to rebuild when Kucherov and Point are still in their primes. Gonna be hard to get a better core than this even if the rebuild goes well.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

Good organizations know when to move on from players.. good job TB

This is not a time to be celebrating Tampa Bay.

Are you kidding me? Where were you telling them they did a "good job" when they were negotiating a new contract with Stamkos? Yes they offered less money and term, but they were right there last offseason.

The whole Nashville team has issues, and this can't just fall on Stamkos. Look at Josi. He leads the team in points, but he's also -21.

People need to lighten up here. These players are not cattle.

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

I've been saying it for many years now. Stampkos coach has been the biggest passenger in the NHL since he entered the league. He never led anything in Tampa.

 

[Jacob]

Stamkos has always needed his wingers to do a lot of the work for him.

He touched the puck less than any #1 center in the league in TB.

 

[ItWasJustified]

Everyone knew he was cooked

Everyone except Stamkos himself and Barry Trotz.

 

[Rschmitz]

Everyone except Stamkos himself and Barry Trotz.

Can't blame the man for getting paid, Trotz though yikes. Signing March and him who are both righty PP guys was a stupid strategy, before we even get into numbers.

Stamkos knew he was out, which is why he made such a huge stink about the previous summer when no offer came.

 

[sr edler]

The notion that this was something only Tampa's shrewd management group and insider fans of the club could foresee is ludicrous. This is a team that's been in the spotlight for years now, and free for everyone to see.

It's not necessarily crazy that another team gave him a shot, but Nash giving him 8 million per for 4 years and using him as a supposed centre piece is the crazy thing.

 

[I Hate Blake Coleman]

Brunette is a bad coach.

 

[Armourboy]

Brunette is a bad coach.

Team wise yes.

Oddly enough the last two games since they stuck him centering Forsberg and Nyquist that group of guys have been much better, and frankly the team has too. Of course that means we probably come into tonight and Brunette completely changes the lines around and we go back to being awful again.

 

[The Shadow]

It’s like some organizations don’t pro scout and go on reputation and stats and many times those stats are inflated playing alongside one of the best players in the world (Kuch)

 

[Alexander the Gr8]

I don’t think he’s as bad as his stat line indicates. That entire Nashville team is playing like shit and they have 0 puck luck to boot.

However, it’s becoming clearer every day that he owed a lot of his recent success in TB to guys like Kucherov and Point who were driving the play for the team.

 

[rielledup]

It’s not just Kuch though. Most of Stamkos points last year were at even strength and most of his ice time at even strength was without Kuch. He needs someone to set him up for shots in the offensive zone but if the team is stuck in the defensive zone he’s certainly not going to score any goals and he’s not the guy to get you out of the defensive zone. It doesn’t have to be a Kucherov but at least someone proficient at moving the puck up the ice or a team system that’s making smart passes up the ice.

Stamkos had the 88th most even strength points last year and almost half of his points came on the PP which is a very high percentage of your points to come on the PP.