SSM Greyhounds 2024-25 Season Thread, Part II

[Mikey71]

My mistake. I forgot that you were smarter than all of the coaches in the OHL who selected him in the coaches poll, as well as NHL scouts that drafted him because of his elite defense, as well as the Team Canada execs that also thought the same. What do those guys know anyways? Fans on a message board clearly have superior knowledge.

I don't think I've ever seen our fans absolutely f***ing hate a player as much as Allard. The league's hardest worker should be a fan favourite by all accounts. I just don't get it at all. The guy is awesome and just gets shit on by everyone.

You are the only poster here who insists on putting his value at pre WJHC level. Truth whether you want to agree or not is that he is nowhere close to the player since that tournament that he was before it. Add his health this year and he is just too much of a risk for a team to acquire. After the deadline, you get what you get. He gets hurt again and you can't replace him. The drop in play and health make him not the high valued asset you insist he CURRENTLY is.

 

[DWI Dale]

An extra 6th round pick is far different than expecting a 6th round pick. That was very clear in my statement, you just chose to intentionally misinterpret it to make a point.

I was wrong about his skill level coming into this season. I didn't see such a vast improvement coming from Charlie, but I do stand by my point that Miller would be a lot better right now had he received consistent playing time. It's not clear that we gained more picks in a trade by waiting, given this extraordinarily weak return.

See, a fully functional adult says "I was wrong" and that's it... the end. They don't add a "but" then spend a paragraph explaining how they were actually right. Seems like someone didn't receive enough praise as a child.

 

[OHL4Life]

it must be hard to be wrong about everything, but also such a narcissist that you choose to die on EVERY hill, no matter how small. i'm looking forward to the next time Fischy gets embarrassed and disappears for 3 months... it's the only time this chat is peaceful and productive.

how is someone hated by every single poster here and he’s a fan of the team?

 

[DWI Dale]

how is someone hated by every single poster here and he’s a fan of the team?

it's unfathomable how unlikeable, arrogant, and condenscending he remains considering nearly everything he says ends up being demonstrably and quantifiably false.

 

[Savard18]

Who cares? That's better than at least half of the team's out there. He was one of the best 20 skaters in Canada last year for God sakes.


I would agree with you if every team had better OA's, but there are some bad ones out there if you look. Teams like Kingston and Brampton might regret their OA decisions come playoff time.

Do you think Flint is happy with Ethan Konyen? I doubt it, he's been awful. One of their fans even came to this forum and said it.

You can't just put on blinders and pretend that I'm wrong because you don't like me. I make mistakes and bad takes like everyone else, but this certainly isn't one of them. He's not the only example. Other teams upgraded their OA's today.

Yes. I absolutely think Flint should have at least made an offer for Allard. Not only is he better than Konyen he fits a positional need. If McParlan didn’t even try, that’s another dropped ball. Now. So you’re saying if Hockey Canada selects you for WJC you’re absolutely one of the 20 best skaters in the country? Cool. I wouldn’t want Canadians complaining they didn’t take their best team to WJC as an excuse for a poor showing. Also if a player is selected in the OHL coaches poll that’s the definitive analysis? Ok. You do realize that over the last two seasons Ethan Hay who you’ve frequently disparaged as horrible has been named to the top 3 in Face-Offs, Defensive Forward and Penalty Killer over the last two seasons? You can’t have it both ways if you’re taking such a hardline.

 

[Savard18]

See, a fully functional adult says "I was wrong" and that's it... the end. They don't add a "but" then spend a paragraph explaining how they were actually right. Seems like someone didn't receive enough praise as a child.

It’s as close as we’re gonna get. I’ll take it. As long as we’re owning up, Kostov has been a bit better lately. We’re not there yet but it hasn’t been abysmal over the last few weeks.

 

[OHL4Life]

Yes. I absolutely think Flint should have at least made an offer for Allard. Not only is he better than Konyen he fits a positional need. If McParlan didn’t even try, that’s another dropped ball. Now. So you’re saying if Hockey Canada selects you for WJC you’re absolutely one of the 20 best skaters in the country? Cool. I wouldn’t want Canadians complaining they didn’t take their best team to WJC as an excuse for a poor showing. Also if a player is selected in the OHL coaches poll that’s the definitive analysis? Ok. You do realize that over the last two seasons Ethan Hay who you’ve frequently disparaged as horrible has been named to the top 3 in Face-Offs, Defensive Forward and Penalty Killer over the last two seasons? You can’t have it both ways if you’re taking such a hardline.

no idea what the ask was but flint was poking around on oa s

 

[Fischhaber]

Yes. I absolutely think Flint should have at least made an offer for Allard. Not only is he better than Konyen he fits a positional need. If McParlan didn’t even try, that’s another dropped ball. Now. So you’re saying if Hockey Canada selects you for WJC you’re absolutely one of the 20 best skaters in the country? Cool. I wouldn’t want Canadians complaining they didn’t take their best team to WJC as an excuse for a poor showing. Also if a player is selected in the OHL coaches poll that’s the definitive analysis? Ok. You do realize that over the last two seasons Ethan Hay who you’ve frequently disparaged as horrible has been named to the top 3 in Face-Offs, Defensive Forward and Penalty Killer over the last two seasons? You can’t have it both ways if you’re taking such a hardline.

I'm not saying that you're absolutely one of the top 20, but your certainly in the ballpark. They aren't taking guys who are even in top top 50 or anything.

The coaches poll isn't a definitive analysis either, but it does matter. I'm a little baffled as to why Hay is so high when he was easily Saginaw's worst player against the Hounds last year, but some coaches only see him once or twice per year, so I get it. The Hounds may just have something on him too.

I'm considering all 3 factors though. That's a smart way to evaluate anything, use a lot of sources and different points of view. What are the chances that OHL coaches, Canada's best hockey minds, and NHL scouts are ALL wrong and Allard is actually a shitty player that nobody wants?

I don't think he was ever available if it makes my feel better about Flint's situation. I know for sure that he didn't want to leave and while he didn't have a NTC, the Hounds usually respect that kind of thing.

I hope the McCue situation gets sorted out. Dale DeGray of Owen Sound has pulled this kind of stunt before and I'm surprised that any teams still deal with him.

 

[Fischhaber]

You are the only poster here who insists on putting his value at pre WJHC level. Truth whether you want to agree or not is that he is nowhere close to the player since that tournament that he was before it. Add his health this year and he is just too much of a risk for a team to acquire. After the deadline, you get what you get. He gets hurt again and you can't replace him. The drop in play and health make him not the high valued asset you insist he CURRENTLY is.

He's scoring more points than he ever has and is far and away our best defensive player. He's healthy and playing at a high level right now. The facts in this situation are definitely not on your side. I'm never going to agree with an emotional stance that isn't based in fact.

 

[rve24]

Who cares? That's better than at least half of the team's out there. He was one of the best 20 skaters in Canada last year for God sakes.

You can't just put on blinders and pretend that I'm wrong because you don't like me. I make mistakes and bad takes like everyone else, but this certainly isn't one of them. He's not the only example. Other teams upgraded their OA's today.

 

[rve24]

No he wasn't one of the best 20 Jr skaters in Canada last year lol. Not even close. He was selected by HC to play in the WJC, sure.
Many non eligible and younger skaters in Canada were way more valuable to their Jr teams than Allard and he won't be a top 20 NHL player from all the Jr skaters in Canada. I could name ya 20 more valuable skaters to their teams in Jr from the O easily last year let alone Canada. Hyperbole doesn't make u right. It's ok that you were wrong.

 

[OHLfan200]

My mistake. I forgot that you were smarter than all of the coaches in the OHL who selected him in the coaches poll, as well as NHL scouts that drafted him because of his elite defense, as well as the Team Canada execs that also thought the same. What do those guys know anyways? Fans on a message board clearly have superior knowledge.

I don't think I've ever seen our fans absolutely f***ing hate a player as much as Allard. The league's hardest worker should be a fan favourite by all accounts. I just don't get it at all. The guy is awesome and just gets shit on by everyone.

Pump the hate brakes fox and friends. Let me maybe be clearer? I think Van steensel was the only OA forward traded this deadline? (I could be wrong of course, i can admit it). So the market just wasn’t there for Allard. That’s more what I meant.

As for me not being THAT impressed. That’s just my opinion . But would I have traded him for scraps? No. He’s definitely more valuable to have around. I have never once claimed to be god’s gift to hockey, and be smarter than the NHL and all of the scouts. Now you’re just really... One would say “splitting hairs”...

I think Allard might be the best skater in the OHL, 2 years in a row. Sometimes I don’t think he uses it to his advantage. Which could be a coaching issue, but that’s a whole OTHER debate

 

[leafs4life94]

Pump the hate brakes fox and friends. Let me maybe be clearer? I think Van steensel was the only OA forward traded this deadline? (I could be wrong of course, i can admit it). So the market just wasn’t there for Allard. That’s more what I meant.

As for me not being THAT impressed. That’s just my opinion . But would I have traded him for scraps? No. He’s definitely more valuable to have around. I have never once claimed to be god’s gift to hockey, and be smarter than the NHL and all of the scouts. Now you’re just really... One would say “splitting hairs”...

Ummm actually Zach Wigle was also traded... Jeez lol

Splitting hairs? Pfft never heard of her

 

[Fischhaber]

Pump the hate brakes fox and friends. Let me maybe be clearer? I think Van steensel was the only OA forward traded this deadline? (I could be wrong of course, i can admit it). So the market just wasn’t there for Allard. That’s more what I meant.

As for me not being THAT impressed. That’s just my opinion . But would I have traded him for scraps? No. He’s definitely more valuable to have around. I have never once claimed to be god’s gift to hockey, and be smarter than the NHL and all of the scouts. Now you’re just really... One would say “splitting hairs”...

Brady Stonehouse was also dealt today.

Turning down the temperature a bit here. If you don't think you're smarter than coaches and scouts then maybe you shouldn't trash me like some kind of idiot when I agree with their assessments. I think he's really good and so do they. It's not some insane take just because the others in the forum disagree with me.

I'm not a person who is going to confirm if it doesn't align with the facts at hand, even if it makes me unpopular. If you want to have a good conversation with me, like many people do, then stick to facts and don't make it personal. I'm fully willing to say I'm wrong or change my opinion if you have a real substantive argument to make. PM me too if you ever want a free beer at the game. I love having good hockey discussions with people and it's never like it is on this forum. The text form of communication is not very effective.

 

[Savard18]

no idea what the ask was but flint was poking around on oa s

McParlan smh. They were never getting past round 2 no matter what but If you’re gonna trade Zurawski and try to go for it you gotta do more than poke around that’s for sure. Maybe the price was too high but I don’t think there was an available OA forward that would have benefitted Flint more than a healthy Owen Allard. Yes, health is an issue and maybe his development curve has flatlined a bit since last year’s WJC but I think he would have had a sizeable impact on the Flint roster. They’re weak down the middle, terrible at the dot and occasionally lack a sense of defensive responsibility. Hell, Owen brings more offensive ability than most of them too.

 

[OHLfan200]

Brady Stonehouse was also dealt today.

Turning down the temperature a bit here. If you don't think you're smarter than coaches and scouts then maybe you shouldn't trash me like some kind of idiot when I agree with their assessments. I think he's really good and so do they. It's not some insane take just because the others in the forum disagree with me.

I'm not a person who is going to confirm if it doesn't align with the facts at hand, even if it makes me unpopular. If you want to have a good conversation with me, like many people do, then stick to facts and don't make it personal. I'm fully willing to say I'm wrong or change my opinion if you have a real substantive argument to make. PM me too if you ever want a free beer at the game. I love having good hockey discussions with people and it's never like it is on this forum. The text form of communication is not very effective.

Yeah I forgot about the Wigle and Stonehouse deals. But you made it personal when you called me smarter than everyone. You responded to my post. You opened the door. I have no hard feelings at all, and I mean I won’t say no to a free beer! That’s about all I have to say.

 

[leafs4life94]

Yeah I forgot about the Wigle and Stonehouse deals. But you made it personal when you called me smarter than everyone. You responded to my post. You opened the door. I have no hard feelings at all, and I mean I won’t say no to a free beer! That’s about all I have to say.

The Wigle thing was meant to be tongue in cheek because it was the same as the OVS trade haha - though I did totally forget about Stonehouse too lol

 

[OHLfan200]

The Wigle thing was meant to be tongue in cheek because it was the same as the OVS trade haha - though I did totally forget about Stonehouse too lol

Oh yea! I caught ya. Stonehouse deal was definitely a weird one. Caught PetesUpdates off guard big time. Yeah.. It just seems like all of the heavy buyers had their OA’s locked in. I mean I looked at quite a few of the rosters, (Brantford, Flint, Windsor). It’s no doubt Allard would have been an upgrade. But they chose to stick with it, which is completely understandable.

 

[leafs4life94]

Oh yea! I caught ya. Stonehouse deal was definitely a weird one. Caught PetesUpdates off guard big time. Yeah.. It just seems like all of the heavy buyers had their OA’s locked in. I mean I looked at quite a few of the rosters, (Brantford, Flint, Windsor). It’s no doubt Allard would have been an upgrade. But they chose to stick with it, which is completely understandable.

I think with OAs there's a big team chemistry/locker room vibes piece too which means it'd have to be really worth the upgrade - pretty sure that was a big factor in Heyes staying for Kingston

 

[MJ5]

Dude watch your heart you still got a decent package for him. Schenkel is good but he’s not Carter George

Carter George is average, only worth like 2 6ths.

- Fischhaber probably

 

[DWI Dale]

As long as we’re owning up, Kostov has been a bit better lately. We’re not there yet but it hasn’t been abysmal over the last few weeks.

That's positive news. He was well liked by fans for what he brought as a 17 year old and the only reason soo fans were ok with the trade was that it didn't involve Martin.

I hope he ties it all together down the stretch. You can't teach size and it felt like he was on the cusp of having a breakout season this year if he learned how to maximize it.

 

[Houndzfan20]

Who cares? That's better than at least half of the team's out there. He was one of the best 20 skaters in Canada last year for God sakes.


I would agree with you if every team had better OA's, but there are some bad ones out there if you look. Teams like Kingston and Brampton might regret their OA decisions come playoff time.

Do you think Flint is happy with Ethan Konyen? I doubt it, he's been awful. One of their fans even came to this forum and said it.

You can't just put on blinders and pretend that I'm wrong because you don't like me. I make mistakes and bad takes like everyone else, but this certainly isn't one of them. He's not the only example. Other teams upgraded their OA's today.

Like I said. Who cares?

Pretend you're wrong? If you were right you'd be an ohl gm. Not an armchair wannabe that totally overvalues every hound player and trashes anyone else. Maybe other teams upgraded their rosters with better players. You said we would get 2 2nds and 2 3rds for him. We got nothing. And now you'll play the whole oh he wanted to stay so we didn't trade him. And I like him, but IMO he was not one of the best 20 skaters. If it wasn't an ohl coach from the western conference, i doubt he would have even been on the radar. And thats okay
hes still a good hockey player. Hell, if we took the best 20 skaters, we wouldn't have finished 5th. The thing is, everybody in the soo loves allard. And what he brings. But everyone else is realistic.

add me to the list of mentally tired posters that go round and round till you think you're right.
It's tiring and I'm done.

Oh, and this is all my opinion. I don't claim to know everything. And people are allowed to disagree with it. I won't try to change your mind.