OHLfan200
Registered User
- Nov 28, 2017
- 243
- 251
I would say 2,3,4 is steep. I’d expect and be happy with a 3rd or two and change. Just imo. Like you said, OA goalies don’t usually go for a lot
SSM Greyhounds 2024 - 25 Season Thread, Part I
- Thread starter SoupNazi
- Start date
frontsfan67
Registered User
- Dec 3, 2022
- 3,440
- 2,064
If it’s a soft swap between Kingston and Soo with goalies(doubt it is as I haven’t heard anything but could be under the radar) I would assume it’s Lalonde, a 3rd and 5th for Schenkel. Specifically a 3rd in 2026 and 5th in 2025
You guys don’t have picks in either of those rounds.
Could look like:
SSM 3rd rounder in 2026, BRA 5th rounder 2025, Nolan Lalonde (OA G)
For
Charlie Schenkel (OA G)
You would still have Lalonde as a goalie who can play maybe half the games in a rebuilding year. Landon Miller is the goalie of your future anyways and it’s time to play him.
That little for the second best goalie in the league so far would be pretty shocking. Even the limited history that we do have suggests that he will get more than that.
I just don't think the Hounds are incentivized to take an insultingly low offer like 3,5 at this point in time. Someone could still be injured in the next month.
I think if a deal is with Kingston then they are the ones being pressured to make a realistic offer, due to Vaccari's injury and Lalonde's poor play.
I also think that Lalonde would be released and the Hounds would sign a different goaltender.
close as in imminent, or Lake Superior State?
I can see Brampton winless in 5 games and with Ivankovic away wanting a solid goalie now.
Edit: A bit of a long shot, but Barrie might want picks and able to get a good return for Hrebik. Schenkel would be a good 1B and possibly be more valuable to the team than Wigle.
I can see Brampton winless in 5 games and with Ivankovic away wanting a solid goalie now.
Edit: A bit of a long shot, but Barrie might want picks and able to get a good return for Hrebik. Schenkel would be a good 1B and possibly be more valuable to the team than Wigle.
Last edited:
HockeyPops
Registered User
- Aug 20, 2018
- 7,866
- 6,973
queue an upcoming trade for Andrew Oke, followed by an HP post saying it's hard not to criticize Raftis for this lack of action...
The closest comparisons to a Schenkel trade a the Simpson trade last year and the Costantini trade two years ago. Because we're dealing with OA goalies I don't think it matters too much that those trades took place at the beginning of the year vs trade deadline - the market is small enough that the values will stay constant regardless of when during the season it happens.
Costantini was traded for a 2nd and a conditional 6th (unknown conditions).
Simpson was traded for Zach Bowen and a 3rd.
What Bowen's value equates to picks-wise is up for discussion, but an 18 year-old goalie with a sub .900 SV% likely is less than a 2nd.
I don't think it's a stretch to say that Simpson and Costantini would've had more value than Schenkel does currently by virtue of both being the starting goalies of the reigning OHL champs, along with having had (marginally) better numbers.
Kingston has the picks where depending on how desperate they feel they are they could overpay, but I think setting the baseline expectation above a 2nd is too high.
Marcus Vandenberg recently went for 3,3. I think he's a reasonably good comp for Bowen. I don't see much difference between 2,3,4 like I predicted, or 3,3,3. Either could be more valuable depending on the years and teams of the picks.
We could get a better read on the Costantini deal if we knew the conditions. It sets the bar for Schenkel at no less than a 2nd either way, as the latter has been better.
frontsfan67
Registered User
- Dec 3, 2022
- 3,440
- 2,064
They don’t have to go for schenkel they can go for parsons who I and a lot of other people believe is better
Schenkel won’t get a big package because of it. But a 3rd and 5th is better than nothing and you also get a decent enough goalie in the deal to backup miller.
If soo wouldn’t do that and take the free picks in a year they’re not competing that would be a mistake.
People aren’t exactly lining up to take OA goalies. Look at London they got one from the WHL instead of trading for one here. Sztuska who definitely should have a spot got waived out of both the OHL and Q AND Schenkel isn’t even the best OA goalie on the market.
I have my doubts that Parsons is available, but that's just personal opinion. Lalonde definitely wouldn't stay with the Hounds if that hypothetical deal went down. They have a couple of young options that would benefit from the time.
It's one of those things where keeping a valuable vet around is better than dealing them at a small fraction of their value and demoralizing the team. Kingston's season is slipping away from them entirely due to goaltending so the pressure is on them to offer a reasonable deal. There's no pressure on the Hounds to do anything silly like give him away for almost nothing, as you suggest.
frontsfan67
Registered User
- Dec 3, 2022
- 3,440
- 2,064
If they’re serious about the mem cup in 2027 they’re going to need picks and they don’t exactly grow on trees. You don’t think they’d take a free 3rd and 5th they could use to draft a good piece of the future or flip for someone good?
5th isn't going to do anything trade wise. it would have to be used to pick a stud in the next draft...at that spot, not likely. 5th isn't going to be used to net us anything worthwhile in a trade either. so if we sign someone else, as has been mentioned a couple posts above, IMO we keep him to keep the ship somewhat stable. if we aren't offered anything that makes it worth our while, then don't make a trade just to make a trade.
if we sign another goalie, and he is expendable, then get what we can for him.
somewhere between what kingston fans want to pay, and what fischhaber thinks Schenkel is worth, is a realistic value that will piss off both. 
100% lol - if everyone is mad, it's a fair trade.somewhere between what kingston fans want to pay, and what fischhaber thinks Schenkel is worth, is a realistic value that will piss off both.
ohloutsider
Registered User
But it is always pointed out that the Soo is the best team at finding gems in the later rounds so probably not an issue to get any high picks then? Lol.
i've been told by some that when our GM takes a poop it smells of lilac and vanilla.
ohloutsider
Registered User
One has to have their nose pretty close to the source to provide that kind of insider information.
I don't think they would make a trade just for the sake of doing it, no. The key players on the 2027 squad are already here and would benefit from the chance of Charlie stealing a playoff series. A 3rd and 5th gets you a 4th liner or 7th D, not exactly a difference maker on a championship team.
ohloutsider
Registered User
Well that is why I'm the outsider, so I can avoid all that crap!
Probably not the best now, but they were under Dubas for sure.
Getting off of the goalie topic for a moment (I'm kind of sick of it), Raftis sure found a couple of winners in Charron and Reid.
Charron plays a really heavy game and has a nose for the net. He's getting really good results for a 6th round rookie.
Chase Reid is a phenomenal skater, maybe the best on the team already. He's got good size too and some offensive instincts.
I hope we can find guys like that in the 6th and 7th round more consistently going forward. It's been somewhat of a problem the last few drafts.
HockeyPops
Registered User
- Aug 20, 2018
- 7,866
- 6,973
It should never be a problem.
Except we end up missing picks in the first 5 rounds so we HAVE to hit on our 6th and 7th rounders. Very difficult to find legit OHLers after 100 players have already been taken.
Except we end up missing picks in the first 5 rounds so we HAVE to hit on our 6th and 7th rounders. Very difficult to find legit OHLers after 100 players have already been taken.
ohloutsider
Registered User
Maybe nothing, with that trade a lot of teams just put their guns back in their holster in the West. Maybe only east teams in play now.
JoeSchmo
Registered User
- Jul 17, 2024
- 239
- 197
in my opinion it was only ever going to be a east team adding Gibson.
I still think it’s Kingston or Oshawa
Ad
Latest posts
-
Speculation: Another year of this Bluc **** (The 2024-25 season thread)- Latest: Raccoon Jesus
-
-
-
