Gibson is the better player here though. If Kingston doesn't get him that means another team competing with them will. Sometimes that comes into play as well. I think the most recent comparable may be the Del Mastro trade maybe? Martone and a 2nd for Del Mastro I believe was the return. If Kingston really wants Gibson, they have the ability to trump most deals if they move Hopkins. I just don't see anyone else of value that gets it done for them. Maybe an all picks deal, but that doesn't leave them much more to upgrade elsewhere. If the Hounds go with a straight picks deal there are teams that have more available (Brampton, Brantford) off the top of my head. I still think there is a deal to be made with Kingston, but it might not be for Gibson. There are other teams with players that just make more sense unless a bigger deal takes place like you said.
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You can't possibly expect anyone to believe that you know what teams want or do not want.
Not you, but most others at a glance would see that Kingston has two #1 LD and two #4-5 RD.
As far as upgrading OA goalies go; if you're that concerned about one more goal in 50+ shots, add a couple of monster defenders to the wings of the middle six and the best D remaining (disposable assets) allow.
Using Hopkins in trade takes away from the value of adding Gibson and ability to re-tool later; how can that be ignored?
Even though DelMastro made the Sting the team to beat, they were beat. And it was a wow, eyebrow raising deal because the prospect price paid had only been seen once before.
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I am not disagreeing with you. Kingston is a little bit handcuffed in their ability to trade for high end players because of their lack of younger players with value. I don't see them being that dangerous in the playoffs with Hopkins as a 2C, Lalonde as their starter and having a weak right side on D. Picks only trades will help them fill a couple holes sure, but the other teams are going to add too. Tough spot.
a better (team) than most believe imo. A couple of players with the skillset to improve the middle of the roster would probably be of more benefit than adding an all-star at the expense of any roster player. I'm not even convinced they should risk upgrading Heyes.
I agree. That may be the best course of action for them. Gibson to a team like Oshawa makes a lot of sense.
stars and scrubs
when the deadline passes, the gens could have two full lines that could play with anyone for 50 minutes thoughYour really condescending tone makes the fact that you don't know which side Gibson plays one of the funniest things I have ever read on this forum.
I'm sure others will enjoy this too. Thanks for the laugh.
Sorry, Ive got to ask, do you get along with anyone?
What players have gone for a boatload of picks AND a top prospect? Looking back through the trade DB the closest that fits a top prospect and "boatload" is probably the McTavish trade which was 2 2's and 3 3's on top of Melee and Pharand. Hopkins' value is probably more than both players combined, and I'd say McTavish is a more impactful player than Gibson.
The thing with Hopkins is that he's not just a prospect - he's a contributing player on a solid team - calling him just a prospect is completely disregarding what he brings NOW - which is so much more than a 16 year old would bring. If this conversation was around the hypothetical world that Malhotra reported, then I'd absolutely agree Malhotra plus a couple 2s/3s - but Hopkins is a likely mid round NHL pick (I've seen him anywhere between mid 2nd to 5th), and he has a track record of contributing - meaning there's signficantly less risk than with a 16 year old that only has half an OHL season.
For Kingston, it would be on the right side; and I'm guessing that Gibson will try to earn a spot on the right side of the Canadian juniors defence.
I'm glad you realize that now. He's a natural fit next to Pieniniemi on Kingston. That makes his value higher to Kingston, not lower as you suggested earlier because they 'already have 2 #1 LD'.
what?! I suggested SSM is not in the driver's seat as they want to trade Gibson before losing him to graduation for nothing; and KGN wants a RD without parting with Hopkins which could be Gibson or Collins or Allen or McCoy or Mews or ...
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Hounds are in driving seat.
Kingston targeted Gibson before the season even began.
every wannabe contender must have inquired about Gibson at some point
The hounds will no doubt do well in a Gibson trade. It just won't involve Hopkins unless it's too good for Kingston to pass up.
I have always really liked Nolan Collins, but he's nowhere close to the player that Gibson is.
You were downplaying his value by suggesting that Kingston didn't need him because they already had 2 #1 LD ( which they don't). They are actually in desperate need of a guy like Gibson if they want to compete with Oshawa and they don't really have any other options. It's a great situation for the Hounds.
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Barlow going for 2 2nds, 2 3rds and a former 2nd and 3rd round pick sets a pretty expensive market. I would think a Hopkins deal isn’t 100% out of the question if Kingston is desperate enough. Especially if they’re competing with London for Gibson
Or especially Oshawa, who has dominated Kingston and has an 08 first rounder to offer. They desperately need his defense to compete.
IMO a Gibby deal will involve a decent prospect and 3-5 picks depending on the player involved. Feel free to revisit that prediction after the deadline. But don't conflate your lack of tradeable assets with a lack of value for a half season of Gibby. Personally I'd trade anything for a cup.
If that's too rich for Kingston's blood then so be it, someone else will pay. I'm sure the 2nd round exit won't sting for too long.
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London will just drive the price up like they always do and drop out of the race
I see Oshawa as the best destination for a guy like Gibson. If not Oshawa then Brampton and karmiris who is an 06 forward will be the one involved
You overvalue Gibson. Just like most Hounds players including Kostov who at 18 is a mediocre 4th liner at best. Just flat out slow, not a great skater and zero offensive instincts. I’d take Donovan or McCoy or Andonovski over Gibson and Collins isn’t far behind. I remember sending clips of Gavin Hayes to a friend on draft day and my friend asking what I thought of Wings pick Gibson. My response? “Well, the D getting beat on 3 of those 4 Hayes highlights is Gibson.”
Sounds like a few select posters undervalue Gibby. He's the top D available at the deadline, and a right hander, which increases that value. We know what we have in him.
Seems like maybe it's the Firebirds that overvalued Kostov, not the hounds.
