Blue Jays Discussion: Split Against O's, Up Next, Yankees

[King Mapes]

Price would be dickey all over again. Aging pitchers in decline are not what we should be gutting our system for, and to a division rival to boot.

Lol what? Price isn't even 30 and has pitched better recently. A lot better. I wouldn't call a month And a half struggle someone on the decline. So you'd rather punt this season and hope we make it soon'ish? 21 years is a long time...

 

[canucksfan]

Ya I doubt Sheilds will be available with how the Royals have been playing.

 

[Mach85]

Price would be dickey all over again. Aging pitchers in decline are not what we should be gutting our system for, and to a division rival to boot.

Yes, his velocity's down, but Price is like 28 years old and still has amazing stuff. I wouldn't compare him to a late-thirties trick pitcher who pitched in a pitcher-friendly park with 2-3 years of success. Dickey is a mid-rotation guy in the AL East who got a prospect haul comparable to an ace. Price is a #2 AT WORST if the loss of velo portends a mini-decline.

The most talented pitchers figure out how to deal with the inevitable decline in velo that comes with age, and adjust. Curt Schilling for example. Price has that kind of talent.

 

[Woodman19]

Lol what? Price isn't even 30 and has pitched better recently. A lot better. I wouldn't call a month And a half struggle someone on the decline. So you'd rather punt this season and hope we make it soon'ish? 21 years is a long time...

Call it what you will, as you age you decline in physical ability and Price is no different. I would rather not gut the top of our system once again for someone who will not pitch anywhere close to what he did for the Rays in his youth while giving the Rays pitching to rebuild and remain competitive for the foreseeable future.

 

[RayzorIsDull]

Price would be dickey all over again. Aging pitchers in decline are not what we should be gutting our system for, and to a division rival to boot.

I don't buy Price being in decline. He's at a career high k/9, career low bb/9. Definitely unlucky with the HR ball.

 

[Woodman19]

People get to enamoured with a name. Verlander is not a #1 pitcher anymore just like Price isn't. Better to go with a cheaper and safer option who isn't going to sucker AA into signing a stupid long term deal to justify giving up so much for.

 

[King Mapes]

Call it what you will, as you age you decline in physical ability and Price is no different. I would rather not gut the top of our system once again for someone who will not pitch anywhere close to what he did for the Rays in his youth while giving the Rays pitching to rebuild and remain competitive for the foreseeable future.

But he's 28. He still has good years left in him, we aren't trading for a guy who's 33-34. His strikeout numbers are incredible this year and his WHIP isn't even much higher than it was last year. Believe me, he's got good years left. He's still fairly young

 

[RayzorIsDull]

People get to enamoured with a name. Verlander is not a #1 pitcher anymore just like Price isn't. Better to go with a cheaper and safer option who isn't going to sucker AA into signing a stupid long term deal to justify giving up so much for.

There's a good chance a lower tier SP might create a bigger bidding war with more buyers.

 

[theaub]

Yeah but when you can get a stopper like David Price (career 5.06 playoff ERA) it needs to be done

In fact in his 4 playoff starts he's 0-4 with a 5.81 ERA. And before we get all 'small sample size' the whole point of this is the small sample size correct?

 

[Woodman19]

There's a good chance a lower tier SP might create a bigger bidding war with more buyers.

That is really your counter argument, teams will stay away from him and overpay for a lesser accomplished pitcher?

 

[RayzorIsDull]

That is really your counter argument, teams will stay away from him and overpay for a lesser accomplished pitcher?

It's not a counter argument. David Price is a terrific pitcher and workhorse. Do you really know what you're getting with these other pitchers?

 

[Nasty Nazem]

lol Price is not in decline. Velocity has declined, sure but so has Felix Hernandez velocity and every pitcher that starts creeping towards his 30's. He is still great with an obscene K/BB ratio.

 

[King Mapes]

People get to enamoured with a name. Verlander is not a #1 pitcher anymore just like Price isn't. Better to go with a cheaper and safer option who isn't going to sucker AA into signing a stupid long term deal to justify giving up so much for.

Verlander has been brutal, not even comparable. Command is crazy bad, strikeout numbers are way down. His walk numbers are some of the worst of his career meanwhile his strikeout numbers are a career low. Price has been more unlucky and who's picked it up lately. I could also say the same about prospects. People get too enamoured of them. Remember when our offence was going to be filthy with Rios, Wells and Adams? Then later we got Snider. Then our catcher of the future TDA who we traded away but has done nothing? Baseball prospects are unpredictable. Price is someone worth the risk

 

[King Mapes]

It's not a counter argument. David Price is a terrific pitcher and workhorse. Do you really know what you're getting with these other pitchers?

A first round exit? Is that the right answer?

 

[NeverGoingToWin]

I wouldn't want Price even if he was a free agent. Pitchers decline way too quickly to give anything up for them or sign them to long extensions.

Do any of the Price fans want to comment on his terrible playoff numbers?

 

[RayzorIsDull]

A first round exit? Is that the right answer?

Quite possibly. Jason Hammel would the Jays be getting the Chicago Cubs Hammel or the Orioles Hammel who stunk with Baltimore last year? You could make the Hammel is bigger risk just due to the fact he hasn't exactly pitched well with prior AL East.

 

[RayzorIsDull]

I wouldn't want Price even if he was a free agent. Pitchers decline way too quickly to give anything up for them or sign them to long extensions.

Do any of the Price fans want to comment on his terrible playoff numbers?

Probably too small of a sample size to come to any sort of conclusion.

 

[Blitzkrug]

Quite possibly. Jason Hammel would the Jays be getting the Chicago Cubs Hammel or the Orioles Hammel who stunk with Baltimore last year? You could make the Hammel is bigger risk just due to the fact he hasn't exactly pitched well with prior AL East.

Hammel was hurt last year. in 2012 he was money with Baltimore.

 

[theaub]

Pretty much what's going to happen is the Jays will/won't trade for a starter and everyone will write a post-narrative based on the result.

 

[RayzorIsDull]

Hammel was hurt last year. in 2012 he was money with Baltimore.

He pitched more innings last year than 2012.

 

[NeverGoingToWin]

2 things:

1 - How many starts do you think most pitchers get in their playoff career?

2 - There are not more starts because he is bad and not helping them make it further.

 

[NeverGoingToWin]

He pitched more innings last year than 2012.

You can be hurt and still playing but it affects your play. See Cabrera. I don't know if that is the case with Hammel.

 

[Blitzkrug]

He pitched more innings last year than 2012.

Still doesn't change the fact he was good.

 

[Canada4Gold]

I'd rather not gut the farm for a #1. Give me 1 or 2 really good chances at winning the world series or a good chance for the next 10 years I'll take the 10 years.

Price would really command something like Stroman + Norris + Nay +, Tampa Bay would want a hell of a lot, and I don't want to make our life more difficult down the road having to face those guys for the next 10 years.

If we can, give up 1 good prospect or 2 decent ones for a middle of the rotation innings eater to improve our chances now, and keep those guys for the future.

Keeping our prospects we may see a rotation of Stroman, Hutch, Sanchez, Hoffman, Norris, and I'd rather keep most of those guys for a long stretch of competing instead of gutting 2 of them + a hitting prospect hoping to win thbe world series this year.

 

[RayzorIsDull]

Still doesn't change the fact he was good.

Let's not make excuses for the guy though he was horrible last year, he was good in 2012. Just tells me he's a mixed bag of results.