Proposal: Spencer Knight to New Jersey

[letsgrowcactus]

OP lookin at it all wrong- make Florida trade the farm to get rid of bob, gamble that his return to form is for real. His biggest struggle are playoffs anyways, NJ just wants to get there again- cross that bridge when you get there

This should be the approach in about 2 years. Right now, Bob has an NMC, Knight is still very green and our farm is officially depleted - apart from Lundell (not happening) and Knight (obviously not happening in a Bob trade), we don't even remotely have the pieces to entice people to take on Bob's contract - no firsts and just one second until 2025; top prospect Samoskevich (he's good, but each team has 1-2 guys like him; the great prospect pools have 3-5).

 

[TheDawnOfANewTage]

This should be the approach in about 2 years. Right now, Bob has an NMC, Knight is still very green and our farm is officially depleted - apart from Lundell (not happening) and Knight (obviously not happening in a Bob trade), we don't even remotely have the pieces to entice people to take on Bob's contract - no firsts and just one second until 2025; top prospect Samoskevich (he's good, but each team has 1-2 guys like him; the great prospect pools have 3-5).

Ya I was kinda joking to start, then realized it might work for my squad- we have the cap space (for now) and I feel like somethin could be done with our prospects for Lundell. No way Bob waives for Buffalo though, and with our goalie prospects it might be dumb as hell in 3 years, ah well.

 

[Sergei Shirokov]

But the playoffs are where Florida needs to be worried about their cap; and Knight will not play ahead of Bobrovsky in a playoff game (not this year and not any year if Bobrovsky remains better than him)

Whats worth more to Florida, a Cup run or their starting goalie situation in three years? Thats the premise Im working off of. I dont think Florida expected to be this good when they drafted Knight

I suggested Knight for Chychurn with the same premise. If Florida is shopping Knight I'd call Arizona first, although a package with 2 1sts could be turned into something good.

 

[Vancouver Canucks]

OP lookin at it all wrong- make Florida trade the farm to get rid of bob, gamble that his return to form is for real. His biggest struggle are playoffs anyways, NJ just wants to get there again- cross that bridge when you get there

Well, we have no guarantee Knight will play well in the playoffs, especially if he's a rookie.

 

[AfroThunder396]

OP lookin at it all wrong- make Florida trade the farm to get rid of bob, gamble that his return to form is for real. His biggest struggle are playoffs anyways, NJ just wants to get there again- cross that bridge when you get there

The last two years NJ has had one goalie retire in camp and another goalie get season ending hip surgery after 10 games. They cannot afford to take a gamble at G again, the goalie they get needs to be somewhat of a sure thing.

I'd be willing to give up NJ's 1st this year (lottery protected obviously) which will probably be in the #4-#8 overall range in addition to a B prospect like Chase Stillman or Nolan Foote. If Cats fans aren't happy with that then I'll go somewhere else.

 

[IceManCat]

As far as value goes, Hischier and Hughes are more valuable as stand alone players. With that said there is no trade that gets done between these two teams. The Panthers are "set" as far as personnel goes. We have goal scorers, playmakers, shut down guys. We have players that fill all the roles we need already. Acquiring a specific player is moot point for us. At this point the only thing we are now lacking is first round picks. So if there was an area of need to address it would be the prospect and draft pick pool.

 

[TBF1972]

Where is Hischier and Hughes?

knight doesn't get either.

obviously a great goaltender has value. but knight is less proven than both of these centers.

 

[VijayPatel11]

This "goalie situation" in Florida really isn't that complicated. Knight needs to run as the backup for a few years, maybe starter then, and then we buyout Bob. No trade will be occurring. You aren't getting our top prospect, no matter how much crap you put on the table. I don't want your mediocre rentals and picks.

 

[Eggtimer]

Not going to happen, Panther fans laugh at offers and say Mercer( or even crazier Luke Hughes , who would be the #1 overall pick this coming draft if he was 8 days younger) Devils fans laugh and say no way.
I get Knight beig very valuable but not worth what Panther fans are asking , however , I don’t blame them not wanting to move him unless an overpay ,however saying some of the offers are ”crap” is insane.
As a Devils fan , I’d rather offer on a goalie that is proven . Too risky to give up a ton of assets on an unknown.

 

[Eggtimer]

This "goalie situation" in Florida really isn't that complicated. Knight needs to run as the backup for a few years, maybe starter then, and then we buyout Bob. No trade will be occurring. You aren't getting our top prospect, no matter how much crap you put on the table. I don't want your mediocre rentals and picks.

So what could be potentially 1sr overall this year is not enough for Knight? Very weird line of thought there man.

 

[Poppy Whoa Sonnet]

I'd offer the Devils 1st this year (no matter where it lands) and Blackwood for Knight, don't think Florida accepts, and don't think there's a trade to be made here really. Florida wants Knight until Bobrovsky's contract gets to the point it can be traded or bought out and that's that.

 

[ESH]

When will he play though?

Thats the issue for Florida. Theyre going to have a 10m backup in the playoffs? I doubt it. And what about when he needs paying after next season?

You realize there is no cap for the playoffs right?

 

[NjdevilfanJim]

L Hughes is a better prospect than Knight was so thats too far, and Hischier is the captain so yeah.

Mercer is a nice value for Florida id agree, but if it was for Knight itd have to be straight up and.. well, thatd be tough for NJ fans to swallow.

If I had a scouting group raving over Knight in my ear and they said Mercer gets him.. I may do that. Id have to think long and hard about it

No way imo Jersey trades Mercer....

 

[Vancouver Canucks]

knight doesn't get either.

obviously a great goaltender has value. but knight is less proven than both of these centers.

What has Hischier proven? I know Hughes has, but Hischier?

 

[The Crypto Guy]

A bunch of junk for an elite goalie prospect? Lawl.

 

[Vancouver Canucks]

A bunch of junk for an elite goalie prospect? Lawl.

He's definitely a Knight fan.

 

[TBF1972]

What has Hischier proven? I know Hughes has, but Hischier?

hischier is definitely more proven than knight. actually more than hughes as well. hischier is used against the opponents top lines.

but for you as a stats watcher:
the same amount of points in 9 less games than pettersson this season. it's now up to you, if you want to shit on his production.

 

[Vancouver Canucks]

hischier is definitely more proven than knight. actually more than hughes as well. hischier is used against the opponents top lines.

but for you as a stats watcher:
the same amount of points in 9 less games than pettersson this season. it's now up to you, if you want to shit on his production.

I don't praise Pettersson just because he's a Canuck. He needs to improve, if he wants to stay as a Canuck.

Hischier's statistics aren't bad, now that I mathematically compare them with Pet's and other rookies'.

 

[Laus723]

Zito didn’t move all those picks, being in the guys he did, and re-sign the guys he did without a plan. He’s been methodical in his moves since day 1. Even in bringing in a defenseman he made sure it would be guys who fit the room and the chemistry, “we did a lot of research before we brought a guy into the room.”

He’s gonna now be all confused about to do in net.

 

[Wierzbowski426]

A bunch of junk for an elite goalie prospect? Lawl.

Thanks for your continuing effort to provide pearls of wisdom guy. Top notch stuff.

 

[thadd]

I think you're probably going to have to cough up a top 10 pick for him.
I think after the lottery NJ could offer their 2022 1st assuming it's not top 3. I doubt NJ would do that.

 

[McJedi]

Though unlikely, I figured why not gauge his value if there ever was serious interest from Tom Fitzgerald in New Jersey. Edit: Im also making this thread under the premise that Florida cant afford a 10m backup in the playoffs and run with Bobrovsky in his elite form for the duration of his contract.

Ill do my best to list what I think would be our most appealing assets to Florida, and let people pick and put together a better proposal than Id likely come up with;

- Ryan Graves (50% retention for a 1.58 caphit)
- Damon Severson ([50% retention for a 2.08 caphit] if we dont re-sign him)
- Tomas Tatar (50% retention for a 2.25 caphit)
- NJ 2023 1st rounder (top-10 protection)
- NJ 2024 1st rounder (unprotected)
- any other NJ 2022/2023 picks
- Could also eat a 1/2year deal for cap space for Florida, such as Hornqvist at 5.3 and/or Gudas at 2.1

So is there room for a deal to be made here for Florida involving Knight to NJ? I know its not a big name player coming back like Im sure Florida fans would like, but NJ can certainly help them in the department of remaining a contender. Whether that be through cap space they gain or a rental or draft capital to flip.

I’d demand none of those players be included and instead replace all those players the Panthers don’t need with a 2025 1st round pick. So three unknown 1sts 2023-2025 for Knight. All unprotected past top 4. If one lands top 4, the pick rolls to the next year round 1 unprotected.

 

[HugeInTheShire]

What has Hischier proven? I know Hughes has, but Hischier?

What he has proven, is a lot more than Knight has

 

[Rydev]

A bunch of junk for an elite goalie prospect? Lawl.

It seems that way but I was moreso thinking along the lines of a package including cap space and coveted trade assets and rentals would be appealing to a contender

Id have never offered anything less than a top-10 pick or Mercer if they werent a contender with a very tight cap next year

 

[The Crypto Guy]

It seems that way but I was moreso thinking along the lines of a package including cap space and coveted trade assets and rentals would be appealing to a contender

Id have never offered anything less than a top-10 pick or Mercer if they werent a contender with a very tight cap next year

I guess, but if they really want to get cap space i’m sure they would rather just ship out a bad contract along with their 2nd or something rather then trade away one of their top prospects.