Proposal: Spencer Knight to New Jersey

[Rydev]

Though unlikely, I figured why not gauge his value if there ever was serious interest from Tom Fitzgerald in New Jersey. Edit: Im also making this thread under the premise that Florida cant afford a 10m backup in the playoffs and run with Bobrovsky in his elite form for the duration of his contract.

Ill do my best to list what I think would be our most appealing assets to Florida, and let people pick and put together a better proposal than Id likely come up with;

- Ryan Graves (50% retention for a 1.58 caphit)
- Damon Severson ([50% retention for a 2.08 caphit] if we dont re-sign him)
- Tomas Tatar (50% retention for a 2.25 caphit)
- NJ 2023 1st rounder (top-10 protection)
- NJ 2024 1st rounder (unprotected)
- any other NJ 2022/2023 picks
- Could also eat a 1/2year deal for cap space for Florida, such as Hornqvist at 5.3 and/or Gudas at 2.1

So is there room for a deal to be made here for Florida involving Knight to NJ? I know its not a big name player coming back like Im sure Florida fans would like, but NJ can certainly help them in the department of remaining a contender. Whether that be through cap space they gain or a rental or draft capital to flip.

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[A1LeafNation]

Hischier or L.Hughes or Mercer has to go the other way

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Though unlikely, I figured why not gauge his value if there ever was serious interest from Tom Fitzgerald in New Jersey

Ill do my best to list what I think would be our most appealing assets to Florida, and let people pick and put together a better proposal than Id likely come up with;

- Ryan Graves (50% retention for a 1.58 caphit)
- Damon Severson ([50% retention for a 2.08 caphit] if we dont re-sign him)
- Tomas Tatar (50% retention for a 2.25 caphit)
- NJ 2023 1st rounder (top-10 protection)
- NJ 2024 1st rounder (unprotected)
- any other NJ 2022/2023 picks
- Could also eat a 1/2year deal for cap space for Florida, such as Hornqvist at 5.3 and/or Gudas at 2.1

So is there room for a deal to be made here for Florida involving Knight to NJ? I know its not a big name player coming back like Im sure Florida fans would like, but NJ can certainly help them in the department of remaining a contender. Whether that be through cap space they gain or a rental or draft capital to flip.

Florida isn't moving Knight for any of those pieces, Kid is going to be a stud. And none of those pieces are remotely close.

 

[Rydev]

Hischier or L.Hughes or Mercer has to go the other way

L Hughes is a better prospect than Knight was so thats too far, and Hischier is the captain so yeah.

Mercer is a nice value for Florida id agree, but if it was for Knight itd have to be straight up and.. well, thatd be tough for NJ fans to swallow.

If I had a scouting group raving over Knight in my ear and they said Mercer gets him.. I may do that. Id have to think long and hard about it

 

[Rydev]

Florida isn't moving Knight for any of those pieces, Kid is going to be a stud. And none of those pieces are remotely close.

When will he play though?

Thats the issue for Florida. Theyre going to have a 10m backup in the playoffs? I doubt it. And what about when he needs paying after next season?

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

When will he play though?

Thats the issue for Florida. Theyre going to have a 10m backup in the playoffs? I doubt it. And what about when he needs paying after next season?

No reason Knight and Bobrovsky can't split 50/50 41 games apiece each. Need to get past 3 more years then buyout BOB in his last season.

 

[Rydev]

No reason Knight and Bobrovsky can't split 50/50 41 games apiece each. Need to get past 3 more years then buyout BOB in his last season.

But the playoffs are where Florida needs to be worried about their cap; and Knight will not play ahead of Bobrovsky in a playoff game (not this year and not any year if Bobrovsky remains better than him)

Whats worth more to Florida, a Cup run or their starting goalie situation in three years? Thats the premise Im working off of. I dont think Florida expected to be this good when they drafted Knight

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

But the playoffs are where Florida needs to be worried about their cap; and Knight will not play ahead of Bobrovsky in a playoff game (not this year and not any year if Bobrovsky remains better than him)

Florida can afford to be patient with Knight, Unless Bill Zito gets blown away with an offer he can't refuse. He can keep him down another 1-2 years in the AHL.

 

[Rydev]

Florida can afford to be patient with Knight, Unless Bill Zito gets blown away with an offer he can't refuse. He can keep him down another 1-2 years in the AHL.

Well thats what a group of assets brings moreso than a single higher-end player for a contender

Multiple millions in cap space, a rental for a Run cheap on a top-4 dman, and a 1st? That seems like a lot to me for a team as cap strapped as they are (once Nuutivara and Ekblad are off IR)

 

[barkovcanfinnish]

I personally don’t consider Knight untradeable but someone like a Luke Hughes would probably have to be coming the other way for Florida to consider it.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Well thats what a group of assets brings moreso than a single higher-end player for a contender

Multiple millions in cap space, a rental for a Run cheap on a top-4 dman, and a 1st? That seems like a lot to me for a team as cap strapped as they are (once Nuutivara and Ekblad are off IR)

Well he's obviously not getting moved for the pieces you suggested. If you want Knight it's going to be extremely painful or Florida wont move him. Not a single one of your trade pieces even remotely gets a conversation started with Zito.

 

[mouser]

Though unlikely, I figured why not gauge his value if there ever was serious interest from Tom Fitzgerald in New Jersey. Edit: Im also making this thread under the premise that Florida cant afford a 10m backup in the playoffs and run with Bobrovsky in his elite form for the duration of his contract.

Ill do my best to list what I think would be our most appealing assets to Florida, and let people pick and put together a better proposal than Id likely come up with;

- Ryan Graves (50% retention for a 1.58 caphit)
- Damon Severson ([50% retention for a 2.08 caphit] if we dont re-sign him)
- Tomas Tatar (50% retention for a 2.25 caphit)
- NJ 2023 1st rounder (top-10 protection)
- NJ 2024 1st rounder (unprotected)
- any other NJ 2022/2023 picks
- Could also eat a 1/2year deal for cap space for Florida, such as Hornqvist at 5.3 and/or Gudas at 2.1

So is there room for a deal to be made here for Florida involving Knight to NJ? I know its not a big name player coming back like Im sure Florida fans would like, but NJ can certainly help them in the department of remaining a contender. Whether that be through cap space they gain or a rental or draft capital to flip.

Way way too many pieces. Reduce your proposal down to no more then 2 high quality assets.

 

[Setec Astronomy]

Well he's obviously not getting moved for the pieces you suggested. If you want Knight it's going to be extremely painful or Florida wont move him. Not a single one of your trade pieces even remotely gets a conversation started with Zito.

If the Devils end up with 1 or 2 overall, that should be enough.

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

Florida doesn’t consider an offer less than Mercer for Knight. If devils aren’t willing to do that then they aren’t even having a conversation.

 

[Rydev]

Way way too many pieces. Reduce your proposal down to no more then 2 high quality assets.

I wasnt offering each of those asset, unless youre saying you dont think a package deal at all works

Im not sure NJ is a fit if it requires two high quality pieces instead of a package with moving parts. Dawson Mercer cant really be parted with at this point in the rebuild and I dont think anyone else after him suffices, and Hischier Luke Jack and Bratt are off limits.

 

[Rydev]

Florida doesn’t consider an offer less than Mercer for Knight. If devils aren’t willing to do that then they aren’t even having a conversation.

How else is Florida going to get below the cap next year if theyve traded away this and next years draft already?

If they really want Knight that bad then I suppose it doesnt work. I just figured using him as a piece to get guys for a cup run AND cap space/picks for more moves was better, since a backup goalie is easy to find

 

[Beezeral]

How else is Florida going to get below the cap next year if theyve traded away this and next years draft already?

If they really want Knight that bad then I suppose it doesnt work. I just figured using him as a piece to get guys for a cup run AND cap space/picks for more moves was better, since a backup goalie is easy to find

Why would the panthers trade a cost controlled asset for quantity? It makes zero sense.

 

[Rydev]

Why would the panthers trade a cost controlled asset for quantity? It makes zero sense.

Because the Panthers are one of the tightest caps in hockey with very little money coming off the books this offseason. And What good is Knight in the playoffs is Bobrovsky is your starter?

You may think it doesnt make much sense to move a stud like Knight for quanity, thats fine. i get that

But to say that it makes 'zero sense' when Im essentially offering the ability for Florida to add talent, high picks for more trades, and cap relief all in one deal? Thats extremely valuable to a contender with a 10M goalie who cant be traded

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

If the Devils end up with 1 or 2 overall, that should be enough.

Zero chance of Fitzgerald moving either Shane Wright or Logan Cooley for Spencer Knight. Noway is Fitz moving the 1st or 2nd overall pick.

 

[PAZ]

How else is Florida going to get below the cap next year if theyve traded away this and next years draft already?

If they really want Knight that bad then I suppose it doesnt work. I just figured using him as a piece to get guys for a cup run AND cap space/picks for more moves was better, since a backup goalie is easy to find

Florida still has pieces to work with to make a few more TDL deals next year without trading away Knight.

They aren't losing anyone big and have no core players to re-sign this offseason. If they want to re-sign Giroux or go after another FA it's a hell of a lot cheaper to pay whatever it costs to dump Hornqvist than it would make sense to trade Knight.

 

[vipera1960]

Though unlikely, I figured why not gauge his value if there ever was serious interest from Tom Fitzgerald in New Jersey. Edit: Im also making this thread under the premise that Florida cant afford a 10m backup in the playoffs and run with Bobrovsky in his elite form for the duration of his contract.

Ill do my best to list what I think would be our most appealing assets to Florida, and let people pick and put together a better proposal than Id likely come up with;

- Ryan Graves (50% retention for a 1.58 caphit)
- Damon Severson ([50% retention for a 2.08 caphit] if we dont re-sign him)
- Tomas Tatar (50% retention for a 2.25 caphit)
- NJ 2023 1st rounder (top-10 protection)
- NJ 2024 1st rounder (unprotected)
- any other NJ 2022/2023 picks
- Could also eat a 1/2year deal for cap space for Florida, such as Hornqvist at 5.3 and/or Gudas at 2.1

So is there room for a deal to be made here for Florida involving Knight to NJ? I know its not a big name player coming back like Im sure Florida fans would like, but NJ can certainly help them in the department of remaining a contender. Whether that be through cap space they gain or a rental or draft capital to flip.

To sum up: here’s a bunch of crap we want to get rid of and 2 firsts. Now give us your best prospect.

 

[Peter Sidorkiewicz]

Florida doesn’t consider an offer less than Mercer for Knight. If devils aren’t willing to do that then they aren’t even having a conversation.

As a NJ fan, I would make that sacrifice for Spencer Knight, despite knowing how good Mercer is.

 

[TheDawnOfANewTage]

OP lookin at it all wrong- make Florida trade the farm to get rid of bob, gamble that his return to form is for real. His biggest struggle are playoffs anyways, NJ just wants to get there again- cross that bridge when you get there

 

[letsgrowcactus]

Yeah, no way.
The reason why we even signed Bob to that monster contract was because we had nobody to replace him with. So what, now we trade an elite goalie prospect in Knight (the ONLY goalie prospect we have who could be ready for n.1 duties after Bob's gone) and repeat that clusterf*** in a few years with a new name?
The Knight-Bob situation is honestly fine. Even elite goalies like Vasi take a few years before they become starters - you almost never see a goalie become starter before 22 (if you rush them more, it generally goes badly), and many only grow into the role at 24-26. Knight is still only 20 (about to turn 21 in a month), so 2 more years of Knight and Bob splitting duties, then Knight takes over and Bob gets traded/bought out - he'll have an 16 team NTC by then so it'll be possible. Worst case, yes he'd be the 10 million backup; you don't play the aging massively overpaid guy over the better younger guy who's your future. That'd also further encourage Bob to waive his NTC if he still "had it" as a starter.

Knight is not "untouchable", but he is "blow me out of the water with your proposal"-level asset. This package is not that.

 

[Vancouver Canucks]

Where is Hischier and Hughes?