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RangerBoy said:
If Eichel was a free agent. What type of contract would Eichel receive? He still needs neck surgery. The Sabres want the acquiring team to take on all of the risk from the neck surgery and take on all of the money. He has a $10M AAV. Flat cap era. The Sabres want top dollar in return. The Sabres are not willing to accept 50 cents on the dollar. They want everything. The acquiring team takes on all of the risk from the surgery, assume all of the money and give up at least four prime young assets. There is no guarantee Eichel will be the same player prior to the surgery. Artificial disk surgery or spinal fusion surgery.

Eichel went doctor shopping in California and he didn't find a consensus of doctors to reaffirm the doctor in Colorado who says Eichel should have the disc replacement surgery. The Sabres want Eichel to have spinal fusion surgery. They tried to put off the surgery and sucker another team into trading for Eichel. The rest and rehab didn't work.



Spinal fusion has a 6 month recovery period. Eichel is not playing this season. The Sabres want no part of the disc replacement surgery. There are no metrics on that surgery. Eichel will miss several months with that surgery. How many professional or college athletes have had the disc replacement surgery? Zero. Nobody knows if the surgery will be a success and then spinal fusion becomes the next option. Buffalo is not lowering the asking price. They want the acquiring team to assume all of the risk and the money.

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This is not true. The surgeon that was on the 31Thoughts podcast a while back has mentioned that he’s performed this surgery on hockey players at the high school level and college level successfully. We’ve discussed how it’s been performed on MMA fighters successfully as well.

I’m not saying that I want Eichel, but it’s not unheard of for this surgery to be performed on a hockey player. It just hasn’t been done on an NHL player yet. There have been similar surgeries, but not this one specifically. Idk why this is such an issue with the ADR surgery. If it fails, he has to get the fusion surgery anyways. If it’s successful, you have a shorter recovery window and get Eichel back with full a range of motion and neck function. The fusion permanently hampers that.
 
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RangerBoy said:
If Eichel was a free agent. What type of contract would Eichel receive? He still needs neck surgery. The Sabres want the acquiring team to take on all of the risk from the neck surgery and take on all of the money. He has a $10M AAV. Flat cap era. The Sabres want top dollar in return. The Sabres are not willing to accept 50 cents on the dollar. They want everything. The acquiring team takes on all of the risk from the surgery, assume all of the money and give up at least four prime young assets. There is no guarantee Eichel will be the same player prior to the surgery. Artificial disk surgery or spinal fusion surgery.

Eichel went doctor shopping in California and he didn't find a consensus of doctors to reaffirm the doctor in Colorado who says Eichel should have the disc replacement surgery. The Sabres want Eichel to have spinal fusion surgery. They tried to put off the surgery and sucker another team into trading for Eichel. The rest and rehab didn't work.



Spinal fusion has a 6 month recovery period. Eichel is not playing this season. The Sabres want no part of the disc replacement surgery. There are no metrics on that surgery. Eichel will miss several months with that surgery. How many professional or college athletes have had the disc replacement surgery? Zero. Nobody knows if the surgery will be a success and then spinal fusion becomes the next option. Buffalo is not lowering the asking price. They want the acquiring team to assume all of the risk and the money.

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Where does this go if Eichel outright refuses the fusion surgery?
 
Uninstaaled said:
Adams is going to get lifted on the Eichel deal.

I hope it isn't to here, but he's going to get back way less than what was even deemed "reasonable" by non Sabres fans this summer.
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He is not getting anywhere near what is ask has been. No shot. This situation has only gone from bad to worse as it has gone on.
 
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Adams is going to get lifted on the Eichel deal.

I hope it isn't to here, but he's going to get back way less than what was even deemed "reasonable" by non Sabres fans this summer.
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At this point he has to. His value has only gone down. Still no surgery date set, so the odds of him playing this year look unlikely.
He has 1 year less to play on his contract that is going to still owe him 40 mill when he can play again... and he’s got a NMC kicking in after the draft.
Can’t imagine anyone beating down the door to give up top prospects and 1st rd picks with 2 solid drafts coming up.
I still would love him here depending on the cost.
 
Sucks for Eichel but honestly at this point I hope this thing drags on forever. Adams expects the value coming back in the trade to be for a best case scenario Eichel which is so insane when you consider the factors.

-He's not healthy

-He still needs surgery to his back which is never easy to come back from let alone if he gets the ADR

-He has a 10m cap hit in a flat cap league.

-He has had character concerns and rumors in the past (type of thing that usually decreases trade value)

-Won't be ready to play until well into the season or not at all at this point.

-Buffalo is unwilling to retain salary

Expecting some team to give you the top 4 or 5 assets at their disposal in this situation is crazy.

Adams is trying to play it like Sakic did with Duchene and while Eichel is the superior player (when healthy) the Duchene situation had literally none of the mitigating factors listed above.
 
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It's interesting because the Sabres medical staff's decision looks directly contradictory to what the Sabres org should want from a hockey perspective: fix him up, don't try to make it too much of a "thing," ship him out. I get the bodily autonomy arguments, and I think he might end up just getting his surgery on his own, but it's not a bad thing that there's a separation between the doctor's decision and what's convenient for the Sabres. I don't think that by itself makes the Sabres look unprofessional
 
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This is not true. The surgeon that was on the 31Thoughts podcast a while back has mentioned that he’s performed this surgery on hockey players at the high school level and college level successfully. We’ve discussed how it’s been performed on MMA fighters successfully as well.

I’m not saying that I want Eichel, but it’s not unheard of for this surgery to be performed on a hockey player. It just hasn’t been done on an NHL player yet. There have been similar surgeries, but not this one specifically. Idk why this is such an issue with the ADR surgery. If it fails, he has to get the fusion surgery anyways. If it’s successful, you have a shorter recovery window and get Eichel back with full a range of motion and neck function. The fusion permanently hampers that.
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I heard that podcast. I don't recall him saying that the surgery was performed on high school and college level hockey players. I could be wrong. I will go back and listen to it again.

Who were these high school and college level players? Are they playing in a hockey league somewhere?

There is too much risk for the acquiring team.
 
RangerBoy said:
I heard that podcast. I don't recall him saying that the surgery was performed on high school and college level hockey players. I could be wrong. I will go back and listen to it again.

Who were these high school and college level players? Are they playing in a hockey league somewhere?

There is too much risk for the acquiring team.
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I agree with you, and no, he didn’t name who those players were. If I remember correctly, he said it nonchalantly and acted as if it didn’t hinder any future performances. These kids obviously aren’t $10M athletes and among the best hockey players in the world.

I love Eichel as a player. I hate the entire situation surrounding him right and don’t think it’s worth pursuing any longer.
 
Vince with his big boy pants scooping Larry

Larry puts out an article this morning saying he has no info on negotiations and Vince comes in from the top rope giving actual numbers

If they keep it at 7 years it’ll be 9 per I would bet
 
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SA16 said:
You read these boards and you think people want Mika to sign like a 3 year deal at 4M AAV.
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I've been on record that 5/50 is the max I would go.

I don't want that 7-8 year deal, even if it drops the AAV a tough. You're pretty much ensuring multiple years where the play is just going to be flat out bad and not even close to worth what hes being paid in that scenario.
 
NYR Viper said:
I'm probably okay with a high 8's number. That means the number will be low 9's. HOPEFULLY that keeps the term to 7 years though, not 8.
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I think 8.715 X 7 would be good. Comes out to 61 million total.

If he wants 8 years the AAV has to come down. Although I'm not sure how he's going to get over 9+ when Couturier just signed for 7.75 AAV x 8. I love Mika but there's not really anything out there to say he's worth 1.25m+ more a season than Couturier is.
 
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we're not getting a bargain with Zib. I just wish they would wait until deeper into the season. If he blows the doors off again like 19-20 and proves that last year was due to COVID, give him whatever he wants. Don't f***ing pay him before the season starts smh this org is so dumb with contracts and leverage
 
I mean the numbers Vince said re: Mika, those are the numbers we've basically known all along. Right? It was going to be seven years or more, eight million or more. There were the pie in the sky scenarios where he'd sign for five years or whatever but those always seemed really unrealistic.

I think the reality is that if we re-sign Mika, it's going to be for a contract that we don't like. Any combination of numbers that we do like, he won't sign for. So either we move him or give him the contract we don't want to give him.
 
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I think the last thing Drury wants is Zib's contract situation hanging over the season. New GM, new coach, tons of expectations. What is he going to do with an unsigned Zib in March with this team in the playoff hunt? Get it done and move on. Hopefully Zib signing ends all the Eichel speculation BS.
 
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