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Soooo Patrick Roy already on the hot seat?

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He shouldn’t be. 3rd in xGF%, 29th in PDO. His team has played well. They’ve just been unlucky.
 
That job is a grenade. Expectations outweigh the talent. No prospect pool to call on or leverage for win-now pieces.
 
Not coaching, it’s the team. They need weapons on offense and retool the bottom 6.

Losing duclair was a huge blow. They need goal scorers around Barzal and Horvat.
 
Fatass said:
Islanders are doing bad. But is that the players or the coach?
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Players. Defense isn't that bad, goaltending is great, but scoring is atrocious. That was the expected flaw with the team and here we are. Doesn't help that their one addition that was meant to help with this (Duclair) got hurt.
 
WatchfulElm said:
I didn't know the Jack Adams was a junior league trophy.

Amazing how you consider winning Memorial cup twice as having no value at all. How many have you got?
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Jack Adams is a gimmicky trophy, I mean Roy's win is sandwiched between Paul MacLean and Bob Hartley who struggled to get another job in the NHL after their trophy-winning stints.

Winning the Memorial cup has value, I never said it doesn't. It puts you on the map. Then, if given a chance, you need to prove yourself at the NHL level which is entirely different than coaching a bunch of kids for a big market team. And for the 2nd time it's fairly obvious Roy is just not a good coach.

Coaches win lower-tier trophies - CHL, NCAA, AHL - every year. It doesn't mean all of them are great coaches and even some of the great ones aren't suited for the NHL.
 
Fatass said:
Islanders are doing bad. But is that the players or the coach?
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The roster is locked in (and older) and the prospect pool is limited. You can change the coach (if it gets to that point), but they will be faced the same situation.
 
SoundAndFury said:
Jack Adams is a gimmicky trophy, I mean Roy's win is sandwiched between Paul MacLean and Bob Hartley who struggled to get another job in the NHL after their trophy-winning stints.

Winning the Memorial cup has value, I never said it doesn't. It puts you on the map. Then, if given a chance, you need to prove yourself at the NHL level which is entirely different than coaching a bunch of kids for a big market team. And for the 2nd time it's fairly obvious Roy is just not a good coach.

Coaches win lower-tier trophies - CHL, NCAA, AHL - every year. It doesn't mean all of them are great coaches and even some of the great ones aren't suited for the NHL.
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I'm not even a big Roy fan as a coach, but your arguments for trying to portrait him as a bad coach are pretty empty. "It’s fairly obvious that he's not a good coach" is not an argument. And it’s not obvious to me at all.

From all accounts, the Quebec Remparts players loved playing for him. I didn’t hear a criticism from Islanders players. And he's got the hardware and honors, which are a much more "obvious" proof that he can make teams win.
 
WatchfulElm said:
I'm not even a big Roy fan as a coach, but your arguments for trying to portrait him as a bad coach are pretty empty. "It’s fairly obvious that he's not a good coach" is not an argument. And it’s not obvious to me at all.

From all accounts, the Quebec Remparts players loved playing for him. I didn’t hear a criticism from Islanders players. And he's got the hardware and honors, which are a much more "obvious" proof that he can make teams win.
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I don't understand why do you keep dragging QMJHL kids into this. Are they supposed to say they hated playing for one of the biggest NHL legends? The implication that you would have heard Isles players complain about their current coach after not even a full year of him in charge is laughable altogether.

During his time with the Avs he lost playoff series as a #1 seed, his young core started struggling and it was all downhill after the first season. None of their young players - Duchene, MacK, Landeskog - really broke out under him, O'Reilly forced himself out of the team, etc.

With Isles, of course he has only been there a very short time and the record shows even "short shelf time" coaches manage to make their teams work for awhile. Roy, however, seems to be struggling already, of course not aided by the roster construction. Once again his top player - Horvat, Barzal, Lee - are struggling badly.

So how about we start talking about what he has achieved in the NHL rather than the stuff in juniors, huh?
 
Mr Kot said:
Lou has to be on the hot seat first tbh. It's just not going anywhere with him. Frustratingly mediocre is where they are stuck at whit him
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We keep trying the same thing and we are all out of ideas!

Bouboumaster said:
Fire Lou and replace him with Roy
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from your mouth to god's ear...

warrior60 said:
Lou fires Roy and goes behind the bench and ends up winning the cup to become in Lou we truss once again.
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this will never happen but it would be pretty damn hilarious if the corpse of Lou was behind the bench every night

BHD said:
the prospect pool is limited
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this is generous. we have an abysmal prospect pool. bottom five in the league
 
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Voight said:
Still remember him firing Claude Julien when the Devils were *checks notes* 47-24-8 and leading their division.
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He fired Robinson midway through the season following him winning a Cup and getting to Game 7 of the Final. And then he brought him back as an assistant 3 weeks later. Of course Robinson got the job after Lou fired Ftorek with 8 games to go (in first place).

I respect it. Coaches have short shelf life’s, get out ahead of problems.
 
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Fatass said:
Islanders are doing bad. But is that the players or the coach?
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Unfortunately right now it’s the players

dirtydanglez said:
i wouldnt be shocked if this is what happens. not sure i see lou being fired though, more along the lines of stepping down in the off-season or dying in the office.
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This is what probably has to happen if Lou doesn’t let Roy make all the critical decisions on the ice.
 
I mean, he's been a terrible coach everywhere he's tried it at the NHL level. He doesn't seem to have nearly a good enough understanding of systems or how to implement them. Maybe there's a very brief scoring bump from just sorta, "letting the horses run"...but it's not good hockey. It's not winning hockey.


Not that the Islanders are constructed as a proper contender either. But i don't think it's fair to let him off the hook just because hundred year old Lou built a janky ass team for him to coach either. I don't think he's even really getting "the most" out of what he's been given.
 
The Isles are creating chances but not finishing, firing Roy this early would be pretty stupid by Lou, so really it might be something Lou would do if he didn't dig into it, such an archaic wanker with his old school bs mentality.

But also not helping him much with that roster now is he. I mean he literally brought back Matt Martin because...reasons. Can't have the team get too young, he could have just called up Jefferies and used his speed in the line-up to replace Duclair but the bloke went and gave Martin a contract out of....loyalty? Lol. They can't be missing Duclair that much where Nelson, Horvat, and Barzal are under performing that much.

But I say this knowing the Pens vs Isles game will be an awakening for that Isles offense, with Nelson and his automatic goal or two.
 
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