GDT: Someone at PNC at Some time

[geehaad]

This is HFCanes though so...

...so at least it's not as bad as nearly all other boards.

Is that what you were about to say?

 

[Svechhammer]

I think terrible takes are saying Necas won't make it because of one preseason game like some 'round here are doing. Yes, Gauthier has had a very good start to preseason and Necas was pedestrian last night. But saying he's not as good as "you" (who exactly?) think is sort of a lame take after one game. This is HFCanes though so...

Yeah I was gonna say. I think the Necas hot takes are seriously underestimating his abilities at this level.

 

[Drivebytrucker]

I think terrible takes are saying Necas won't make it because of one preseason game like some 'round here are doing. Yes, Gauthier has had a very good start to preseason and Necas was pedestrian last night. But saying he's not as good as "you" (who exactly?) think is sort of a lame take after one game. This is HFCanes though so...

I said he's not as good as people think he is!

And I was basing that on what I've seen of him in the last 3 years in the NHL, Charlotte, World Jrs.

Man, he was terrible at the Worlds in January. He should have been dominant there.

I think he ends up in the AHL again. He's not working hard enough to make this team.....

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

No he's not. He's a good player that plays the way the coaching likes and has some good upside, but he is not yet a core piece. If Goat constantly plays with the same energy as Foegele, he takes his place easily with the skill level he possesses with the puck. There is room for both on the team with some other moves (hi Brock), but neither is a core piece at this point.

assuming Rod trusts Gauthier without the puck and in the D zone. Foegele was a pk wizard in Charlotte and played a 2 way game there so IMO, Rod had trust in that part of his game. Enough to stick him Staal early in the season. If Goat’s game is good enough in those aspects, then you are probably right. If not, people will wonder why he’s not getting called up over Bishop.

 

[geehaad]

He's not working hard enough to make this team.....

You may be right about everything else, but you're very wrong about this.

Momma always said don't use words that you don't know the meaning of.

 

[MinJaBen]

assuming Rod trusts Gauthier without the puck and in the D zone. Foegele was a pk wizard in Charlotte and played a 2 way game there so IMO, Rod had trust in that part of his game. Enough to stick him Staal early in the season. If Goat’s game is good enough in those aspects, then you are probably right. If not, people will wonder why he’s not getting called up over Bishop.

Yeah, I agree with all of that. Gauthier has got to put in the work on all areas of his game to make the team. By all accounts, he has gotten that message and is doing just that. Only time will tell if he is successful. Foegele could still beat him out of a spot, for sure. What I had the most issue with was the claim that Foegele is part of the core of the team. I don't believe that to be true at this point. Nice player with a good future here, I think, but not a core piece by any stretch.

 

[tarheelhockey]

I think terrible takes are saying Necas won't make it because of one preseason game like some 'round here are doing.

Not sure anyone, other than DBT after you posted this, said definitively that Necas won't make it.

People are reacting to the fact that he came into camp with big expectations, had the opportunity to impress in a top-6 role against an AHL quality squad, and ended up looking like a guy who isn't ready for NHL hockey yet. That's very much something to react to.

Everyone realizes he's young and skilled, and that this is his first season really playing in the deep end. Nobody thinks he needs to be a world beater right this minute. But at some point these guys have to show up and do the thing, or eventually they start to get re-labeled. This performance, combined with Rod's comments a couple of days ago, is the first time he's given us real cause to talk about him in less than idealistic terms.

 

[Canes]

Not sure anyone, other than DBT after you posted this, said definitively that Necas won't make it.

People are reacting to the fact that he came into camp with big expectations, had the opportunity to impress in a top-6 role against an AHL quality squad, and ended up looking like a guy who isn't ready for NHL hockey yet. That's very much something to react to.

Everyone realizes he's young and skilled, and that this is his first season really playing in the deep end. Nobody thinks he needs to be a world beater right this minute. But at some point these guys have to show up and do the thing, or eventually they start to get re-labeled. This performance, combined with Rod's comments a couple of days ago, is the first time he's given us real cause to talk about him in less than idealistic terms.

One. Game.

Rod also complimented him too last night... but no one is saying anything about that.

 

[Lempo]

One. Game.

Rod also complimented him too last night... but no one is saying anything about that.

He's overstayed his welcome. Should've played him in the spring and send him to Seattle.

 

[tarheelhockey]

One. Game.

Rod also complimented him too last night... but no one is saying anything about that.

I get that it's one. Game.

Everybody gets that.

That doesn't mean we should ignore it. Necas wasn't where we would want him to be at this stage of camp, The first-hand observation from the dressing room upthread suggests he was pretty crushed. He has about 2 weeks to get in gear, or he's going to force the coaching staff into a dilemma.

Hopefully he blows it out of the water next game and this all gets brushed aside, but for right now it's something to keep an eye on.

 

[AeroFishOne]

I get that it's one. Game.

Everybody gets that.

That doesn't mean we should ignore it. Necas wasn't where we would want him to be at this stage of camp, The first-hand observation from the dressing room upthread suggests he was pretty crushed. He has about 2 weeks to get in gear, or he's going to force the coaching staff into a dilemma.

Hopefully he blows it out of the water next game and this all gets brushed aside, but for right now it's something to keep an eye on.

I’m in agreement. I think Necas will be fine in the long run but Gauthier looked better to my eyes last night, and I was one of the ones that thought he might not pan out(still might not).Never said Necas wouldn’t make the team but if there’s a lot of unexpected competition, it’s going to definitely make the decision a lot harder. Lot of guys fighting for very few spot compared to the past. This my take without researching waiver or other potential cap complications.

 

[Anton Babchuk]

I said he's not as good as people think he is!

And I was basing that on what I've seen of him in the last 3 years in the NHL, Charlotte, World Jrs.

Man, he was terrible at the Worlds in January. He should have been dominant there.

I think he ends up in the AHL again. He's not working hard enough to make this team.....

he was drafted two years ago lol. you were focusing on him prior to us drafting him?

 

[Vagrant]

if you go back far enough in the prospects thread, you'll find tons of rankings where gauthier was a clear afterthought. the mantra has always been that power wingers take longer to develop. especially in the case of gauthier, who was physically mature at 18 because he trained like a power lifter due to the influence and genetics of his grandfather who was mr. olympia in canada or some such. when you go from an inferior league like the Q, which for my money is far inferior to its canadian major junior counterparts, there's going to be another adjustment. the big thing that must be accounted for in prospect evaluation is the development from season to season. that rate will determine *everything* and we need to look at that aspect with all our prospects in order to determine who has real breakout potential. not everyone develops in a linear fashion, but most do. if a player has a subpar year their first year as a professional, that's not a death knell. it just makes the second season critically important. gauthier had an inconsistent first year and then came back and put up a very respectable second season for charlotte in a crowded situation.

this outlook is also a subtle indictment of necas in my estimation. he has been on the cusp of looking nhl ready for the past 3 training camps and still hasn't taken that decisive step forward to look woefully out of place among his ahl peers. that was the story with boychuk as well. in no way am i comparing the relative skill, but there comes a point where you need to be concerned as to why this is happening. necas last year said that he's a slow starter and he didn't really hit his stride until around christmas, which is unacceptable when you're trying to crack a roster like this one. he doesn't look night and day better to me this camp than he did in the previous one. that's just my honest evaluation. i understand that his upside is immense and he might be one of those players that just suddenly "gets it," especially if his barriers are mostly mental, but they've given him every opportunity to impress and he's just sort of the same dude he was at this time last year. that makes me nervous. but man does he ever look the part when you watch him skate.

i also vehemently agree with canesfanbudman regarding the differences between gauthier and foegele. foegele looks like he's slapping the puck around at top speed and he could lose it at any moment. gauthier has much better body control and looks to have hands as fast as his feet. foegele will sooner reach a logical end to his progression because he's going to be capped by that limitation that gauthier doesn't have.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

What the hell? The over reaction on Necas from 1 preseason game is a bit much even from this board. From he doesn’t work hard, to he’s not where we want him at this stage of camp to comparisons to Boychuk.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

Scott Wheeler posted an article to the Athletic literally yesterday talking about what a great prospect Necas was, and everyone raved about it and said "OMG THIS IS WHY I PAY FOR THE ATHLETIC" and today everyone's like "NECAS BETTER COME AROUND IN A HURRY OR HE MIGHT BE A BUST."

It's just noise. We've demonstrated repeatedly that we're really smart and good at arguing about things, but collectively don't actually know shit about anything.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

I don’t think Necas is a bust. Based on what we have seen so far (hot taking this) Gauthier is the better roster choice.

This hot take might fall to the Mpemba effect.

In the end Necas’ time starts this season. I don’t think another 2 months in Charlotte would hurt Necas.

 

[Vagrant]

Scott Wheeler posted an article to the Athletic literally yesterday talking about what a great prospect Necas was, and everyone raved about it and said "OMG THIS IS WHY I PAY FOR THE ATHLETIC" and today everyone's like "NECAS BETTER COME AROUND IN A HURRY OR HE MIGHT BE A BUST."

It's just noise. We've demonstrated repeatedly that we're really smart and good at arguing about things, but collectively don't actually know **** about anything.

come on, hank. you should know i don't have a subscription to that website.

but in fairness, i want to be clear that i am not in any way calling necas a bust. the only link to boychuk has been the similarity in the fact that every camp he has come into he has been favored to make the team and every camp he has been somewhat uninspiring relative to expectations. the skill is clearly there and the production in the ahl at his age was remarkable, so it's certain that he can play. the frustration on my end comes in the form of there not being clear enough (at least for my interpretation) progress made from year to year that would indicate the weaknesses in his game are being addressed. just looking at svechnikov from camp last year to camp this year is exactly the kind of example of what you'd like to see. while that should be the exception and not the rule, necas is being mentioned as being special in the same way by a lot of outlets. it would be encouraging to have visual confirmation of that progress.

 

[A Star is Burns]

What the hell? The over reaction on Necas from 1 preseason game is a bit much even from this board. From he doesn’t work hard, to he’s not where we want him at this stage of camp to comparisons to Boychuk.

This board's ability to make definitive judgements on prospect camps, prospect tournaments, and split squad exhibitions never ceases to amaze. I'm not referring to anyone in particular but several different instances.

 

[Drivebytrucker]

he was drafted two years ago lol. you were focusing on him prior to us drafting him?

This board's ability to make definitive judgements on prospect camps, prospect tournaments, and split squad exhibitions never ceases to amaze. I'm not referring to anyone in particular but several different instances.

This is his 3rd training camp isn't it?

He's in his 3rd year as a Hurricane right?

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

This is his 3rd training camp isn't it?

He's in his 3rd year as a Hurricane right?

and LAST amirite?

 

[Drivebytrucker]

and LAST amirite?

I can't believe "Necas isn't as good as you think he is" gets people so mad

It's amazing

It's like the crap I got for saying Ferland Sucked for 6 months and then finally everybody acknowledged it

 

[The Faulker 27]

This board's ability to make definitive judgements on prospect camps, prospect tournaments, and split squad exhibitions never ceases to amaze. I'm not referring to anyone in particular but several different instances.

...and every year people lose their minds over the hot taeks. Just let it happen. It's part of the fun.

 

[CanesFanBudMan]

Gauthier 4 Calder

 

[Navin R Slavin]

I can't believe "Necas isn't as good as you think he is" gets people so mad

It's amazing

It's like the crap I got for saying Ferland Sucked for 6 months and then finally everybody acknowledged it

Not mad. It's just noise.

 

[Canes]

I can't believe "Necas isn't as good as you think he is" gets people so mad

It's amazing

It's like the crap I got for saying Ferland Sucked for 6 months and then finally everybody acknowledged it

What's the saying? Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

'Grats.