Some details about the World Cup...

[kp61c]

Who cares if europeans are interested in World Cup. This is really meaningless and awkward discussion that is going on over and over again. How can you call yourself a fan and not care about a best-on-best event?? Players care and you don't. I don't understand, really. If players have no problem with anything and are willing to play at the highest level for their respective national teams, holding the national pride, you still don't care? That is ridiculous. Also the reasons are ridiculous. Even if all the money takes the NHL (which I doubt will be true), it has nothing to do with the play on the ice. Any reasons similar to 'biased referees, ice-size, rules, etc.' are embarassing really. The fact that a tournament is heldel in Canada (home advantage), is not a rational reason to dislike the tournament or to not give any credit to its winner.

because it's heavily rigged in favour of the na teams. that's it. you need to be from na or to be a blind wannabe of the nhl to not see it.
it's sensible to go seek for a barrel now, though. blackmail over og and the khl brass's stupidity say soon you'll be bent over it.

 

[roto]

Do they get flown in a couple of hours before their game?

Jet lag is overblown IMO. Young top level male athletes don't need much recover time, I'm not one and I never have when traveling.

Have never seen the big deal.

Jet lag exists whether you believe it or not. It's been studied a lot. The thumb rule for recovering from jet lag is one day per time zone.

Of course the jet lag is not that bad when going to west, but still your own experiences don't prove anything else than that it may not be a big problem for you. It's a different thing with ice hockey players anyway than with average joes. The acceleration and reaction times, for example, need to be 100%, especially in small rink where time and space is luxury.

 

[The Bad Guy*]

Jet lag exists whether you believe it or not. It's been studied a lot. The thumb rule for recovering from jet lag is one day per time zone.

Of course the jet lag is not that bad when going to west, but still your own experiences don't prove anything else than that it may not be a big problem for you. It's a different thing with ice hockey players anyway than with average joes. The acceleration and reaction times, for example, need to be 100%, especially in small rink where time and space is luxury.

I went from Halifax to Osaka straight with 2 small stopovers in Toronto and Vancouver 12 years ago and All I needed was a regular 7 hour sleep and I was back to normal as usual.


Either I am just very resilient or these guys are especially soft. I find it hard to believe a regular Joe guy like me can be affected so little while these young in tip top shape athletes can't.

You sleep, you get up and eat and continue on normal, no big deal,At least not for this guy.

The hardest part for me of long air travel is that I am a tall guy and the cramped seating space makes it bloody uncomfortable so long in the air. It feels so good to get off the plane to just stretch.

Big fuss about nothing in my experience.

 

[Jussi]

I went from Halifax to Osaka straight with 2 small stopovers in Toronto and Vancouver 12 years ago and All I needed was a regular 7 hour sleep and I was back to normal as usual.


Either I am just very resilient or these guys are especially soft. I find it hard to believe a regular Joe guy like me can be affected so little while these young in tip top shape athletes can't.

You sleep, you get up and eat and continue on normal, no big deal,At least not for this guy.

Big fuss about nothing in my experience.

You are not a professional athlete.

 

[Jussi]

I think if IIHF moved the WC by a month or two then more players will be available to play and fewer conflicts with the leagues' schedules. I still feel any international tournament should be organized by an international federation so that every country has a say in what is going on. All the money should be going to the different federations to grow hockey and not into NHL owner's pockets.

Maybe the IIHF just doesn't have an interest in it. Maybe they are completely fine with the World Championships and the olympics. I think the IIHF doesn't want their 'own' tournament, they probably want the olympics only. And to be honest, they definitely could do something about the WHC schedule, or even players' insurance, etc. Ask them why they can't do anything about it.

You can't move the Worlds to middle of June. Most players are already in their off-season. Let's not even start with how ludicrous it would be to have a hockey tournament in June in Europe...

Insurances at the World Championship are covered by the national federations. That is not an issue for the IIHF.

 

[The Bad Guy*]

You are not a professional athlete.

I know, which is why you would think their bodies would be even less affected.

How much time do they have before landing and the game they have to play anyway? Someone must know this?

What happened in the case of say Finland, who lost in the final 3-2 and looked anything but tired and slow in reaction to this guy, the czechs didn't look too bad in our game with them either. What was these teams schedule in terms of flying/game time start?

 

[The Bad Guy*]

You can't move the Worlds to middle of June. Most players are already in their off-season. Let's not even start with how ludicrous it would be to have a hockey tournament in June in Europe...

Insurances at the World Championship are covered by the national federations. That is not an issue for the IIHF.

Why would it be ludicrous to have the tournament in June in Europe? interference with the high point of Football season?

 

[Jonimaus]

Why would it be ludicrous to have the tournament in June in Europe? interference with the high point of Football season?

Vacation, football season (some leagues), nice weather outside. Even in May people struggle with their interest. A hockey tournament in June in Europe would make the florida panthers seem like a hockey hot-bed.

 

[The Bad Guy*]

Vacation, football season (some leagues), nice weather outside. Even in May people struggle with their interest. A hockey tournament in June in Europe would make the florida panthers seem like a hockey hot-bed.

You mean it's about the money?

I was told IIHF involvement was all about what is best for the game and I would think having as many of the best players available as possible is what would be best for the game.


I've been duped.

 

[cutchemist42]

Sure it is comparable. The complaint is traveling puts European teams at a disadvantage in the Canada/World Cups,but Canada and the U.S are always traveling overseas every year to the WHC and that is not seen as a problem by European posters regarding the N.A teams.

Doesn't matter if they can bid on it or not, the thing that matters is whether the one day of travel puts you at such a competitive disadvantage that your chances of winning a tournament are greatly reduced.

The bidding is not the issue, the traveling is,or at least that is what European posters here have historically complained about when talking about it always being held in N.A.

Now if they want to say the complaint is strictly about being able to host then you've got a point.

The travelling circumstances are different. One is atleast allowing NA teams to set up a base in a hotel for 2 weeks at a time which is more stable (WHCs). The World Cup has asked the Euro teams to do two city/pool (Euro pool, then NA games) migrations coupled with an overseas trip.

 

[Jonimaus]

You mean it's about the money?

I was told IIHF involvement was all about what is best for the game and I would think having as many of the best players available as possible is what would be best for the game.


I've been duped.

Not sure how I implied even slightly anything is about money. Apart from possibly Finland, Latvia and I guess Belarus, no european country gives a rats ass about hockey during the summer. Even if you give away the tickets for free in Sweden you'd probably not get a full house.

 

[The Bad Guy*]

Not sure how I implied even slightly anything is about money. Apart from possibly Finland, Latvia and I guess Belarus, no european country gives a rats ass about hockey during the summer. Even if you give away the tickets for free in Sweden you'd probably not get a full house.

If it's not about the money then having it in June regardless of fan interest should not be a problem since having the calender cleared for all the players to give them a chance to play is what is important.

It's for the good of the game after all, and that is what the IIHF is all about.

At least that is what I have been told anyway, that is why having the IIHF organize all the international tournaments is so important.

Fairness and the best interests of hockey, not money.

 

[The Bad Guy*]

The travelling circumstances are different. One is atleast allowing NA teams to set up a base in a hotel for 2 weeks at a time which is more stable (WHCs). The World Cup has asked the Euro teams to do two city/pool (Euro pool, then NA games) migrations coupled with an overseas trip.

I asked it above but no one answered, what is the rest time between the overseas trip and their first game?

 

[cutchemist42]

I asked it above but no one answered, what is the rest time between the overseas trip and their first game?

2.5 days if my timezone math is correct.

For comparison's sake, baseball's WBC gave a little less than 5 days inbetween the Asian region times coming to the USA. (Once again, I hope Im not screwing up the timezone math) Not sure if 5 is too many though, I would have guessed 4 based on what my friends say about the trip.


This World Cup though is only supposed to feature two cities or one. However, the NHL wants this to have games in Europe again so the problem will rise up again. Since the NHL is also holding this for Canadian money, I doubt we EVER see a full World Cup fully in Europe.

 

[1Gold Standard]

I asked it above but no one answered, what is the rest time between the overseas trip and their first game?

this whole jet lag issue is way overblown...Team Canada arrived in Sochi, got off the plane and went immediately to the rink for practice and then played a game the following day. no ill effects.

As somebody who has travelled quite extensively from N. America to Europe and back again...coming from Europe to N. America requires a little more adjustment time, 2 or 3 days is more than plenty.

 

[Jonimaus]

If it's not about the money then having it in June regardless of fan interest should not be a problem since having the calender cleared for all the players to give them a chance to play is what is important.

It's for the good of the game after all, and that is what the IIHF is all about.

At least that is what I have been told anyway, that is why having the IIHF organize all the international tournaments is so important.

Fairness and the best interests of hockey, not money.

Well I doubt the IIHF cares so little about money they would make a tournament for no-one. It's like having an Baseball tournament in England during the winter.

If there's no audience, what's the point of a high level hockey tournament? World cup will most likely always have audience because it's in Canada, and as far as I know, they care about hockey regardless of when during the year it's played (feel free to correct me), but such is not the rest of the world. Timing means a lot.

 

[xxxx]

because it's heavily rigged in favour of the na teams. that's it. you need to be from na or to be a blind wannabe of the nhl to not see it.
it's sensible to go seek for a barrel now, though. blackmail over og and the khl brass's stupidity say soon you'll be bent over it.

How?

 

[Yakushev72]

If I need brain surgery to prevent death in just a matter of days, I want an HF Boards poster, not a neurosurgeon, to operate on me. HF posters know a lot more about science than even Nobel Prize physicists, which is why they are able to debunk theories like jet lag as being a hoax! If you flew from Mongolia to Saskatchewan non-stop, of course you would be as fresh, if not fresher, after two hours rest. Thanks, HF Boards posters, for exposing all those university-sponsored studies regarding jet lag for what they are!!

 

[roto]

What happened in the case of say Finland, who lost in the final 3-2 and looked anything but tired and slow in reaction to this guy, the czechs didn't look too bad in our game with them either. What was these teams schedule in terms of flying/game time start?

If Finland didn't look tired it doesn't mean that the players didn't suffer from jet lag. If the whole tournament had been played in NA, maybe Finland had won the final

this whole jet lag issue is way overblown...Team Canada arrived in Sochi, got off the plane and went immediately to the rink for practice and then played a game the following day. no ill effects.

As somebody who has travelled quite extensively from N. America to Europe and back again...coming from Europe to N. America requires a little more adjustment time, 2 or 3 days is more than plenty.

Yeah, so? Do you mean that research studies are wrong because you feel that jet lag issue is overblown? I guess you didn't try to play ice hockey with best players of world in important tournament after your trips?

Of course players can go on ice after traveling and play next day. I could do that too. The question is that how much it affects the performance. It's not just someone looks tired, it affects decision making, reaction times etc. In Sochi no top country got advantage, because top countries had teams made of NHL players. NHL didn't pause its season only few days before the tournament because jet lag issue is overblown. It was pure business - time is money.

IMO World Cup is an NHL tournament and it should be completely played on NA soil in small rinks. One benefit would be that Euro teams wouldn't need to fly overseas in the middle of the tournament for the playoffs.

 

[cutchemist42]

The jet lag effect is then maybe to different players. The NFL must think theres good reason because they carefully schedule their teams for London games concerning bye weeks and travel days. MLB did the same for Australia/Japan, where the regular season officially happened almost a week early with those games. The WBC also have the teams travelling from Japan 5 days to come back stateside for the Semis.

 

[The Bad Guy*]

If I need brain surgery to prevent death in just a matter of days, I want an HF Boards poster, not a neurosurgeon, to operate on me. HF posters know a lot more about science than even Nobel Prize physicists, which is why they are able to debunk theories like jet lag as being a hoax! If you flew from Mongolia to Saskatchewan non-stop, of course you would be as fresh, if not fresher, after two hours rest. Thanks, HF Boards posters, for exposing all those university-sponsored studies regarding jet lag for what they are!!

Whatever you believe it has already been pointed out that Canada got off a plane and played the next day in Sochi, if no one is going to raise a stink about flying overseas in the olympics then why make a big deal out of it for a world cup?, especially as has been pointed out they get 2.5 days before their first game. Plenty of time, cmon!!

We all know what this is all about..................excuses.

 

[The Bad Guy*]

Well I doubt the IIHF cares so little about money they would make a tournament for no-one. It's like having an Baseball tournament in England during the winter.

If there's no audience, what's the point of a high level hockey tournament? World cup will most likely always have audience because it's in Canada, and as far as I know, they care about hockey regardless of when during the year it's played (feel free to correct me), but such is not the rest of the world. Timing means a lot.

Exactly!!

And that is why the World cup is always held in NA., because in Europe there is little interest, if you can't give away tickets to a WHC game in Sweden in June then you won't have much success with a world cup with no history there.

So why are there all these people complaining?

The World cup is in NA for a good reason,money, just like the WHC is always in Europe.And I for one would rather watch the World cup regardless of where it is played and for what reasons because of the far superior talent involved then some watered down WHC any day of the week.

But it's every fans decision to make, I just don't see why all the *****ing about where these things are held and why one side has to travel for one tournament and the other side has to travel for the other. We all know the reasons, why should some fans get all baby about it?

 

[1Gold Standard]

Whatever you believe it has already been pointed out that Canada got off a plane and played the next day, if no one is going to raise a stink about flying overseas in the olympics then why make a big deal out of it for a world cup, especially as has been pointed out hey get 2.5 days before their first game?

We all know what this is all about..................excuses.

and considering they are flying Charter 1st class, not commercial economy class like the rest of us, no long wait times, no screaming infants or all the other nonsense we put up with when flying, this whole jet lag issue is just a whole lot of nothing.

 

[The Bad Guy*]

this whole jet lag issue is way overblown...Team Canada arrived in Sochi, got off the plane and went immediately to the rink for practice and then played a game the following day. no ill effects.

As somebody who has travelled quite extensively from N. America to Europe and back again...coming from Europe to N. America requires a little more adjustment time, 2 or 3 days is more than plenty.

Yep, it's a crock.

2 -3 days is PLENTY of time to adjust, you would think they were given malaria on the flight over.

Excuse, nothing more.

 

[The Bad Guy*]

and considering they are flying Charter 1st class, not commercial economy class like the rest of us, no long wait times, no screaming infants or all the other nonsense we put up with when flying, this whole jet lag issue is just a whole lot of nothing.

It's funny, I never hear NA fans here complain about always having to travel overseas every year for the WHC.They could do that every single year but they don't. The only time they bring it up is when European posters scream bloody murder over having to travel to a tournament that at best happens every 4 years or in this case 10.

What a tired old annoying song. It's immature and childish IMO.