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Slimmy said:
The Canada cup does absolutely NOTHING to grow the sport.
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So? Playing it does NOTHING to diminish the sport. All we're left with is hockey games featuring the world's best players. Who would want that?

Slimmy said:
That the IIHF wants to be on good terms with the NHL and Canadian fans is probably what contributed to the "good for hockey" statement.
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Glad to know that you are the authority on the IIHF and able to see past their actual words to some hidden meaning. Congratulations.

Slimmy said:
It's out of self preservation, not my benevolence, that I want the sport to grow. If the sport grows in Europe, there's more money to be had and better contracts can be offered to players to stay in Europe. The ECHL is a good start but WHC and WHJC is a great tool to grow the sport in Europe and elsewhere. Another aspect is that the WHC is a lot more fun to watch if it's not just the usual suspects that are in contention. It would also be better for me as a hockey fan in Europe if the sport grew so that the main focus was not football/soccer. Hope that helps.
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Ahhh so it's about your self interest as a European fan. Understood. You're right, the World Cup will not lead to drastic growth of hockey in Europe. Big whoop. It won't detract from the growth of hockey anywhere in the world, and all of the current fans of hockey will be able to enjoy seeing the best players in the world. There is no downside. Glad we've cleared that up.

Urbanskog said:
This. Especially when considering that the World Cup is designed to stop the NHL participation in the Olympics.
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The World Cup, which can trace its lineage back to 1976 (22 years before the NHL first participated in the Olympics), was designed to stop NHL participation in the 2018 Olympics. Now that's incredible foresight!
 
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Erikfromfin said:
Jea its finally confirmed (officially in a month). Kummola says this time they will not play any games in Europe but the entire tournament will be held in Toronto and Montreal. To compensate Kummola says they are planning to play atleast 1 Friendly match in Europe between Finland and Sweden thou before the tournament.
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How generous of the NHL. An entire exhibition match played in Europe! :handclap:
 
Urbanskog said:
How generous of the NHL. An entire exhibition match played in Europe! :handclap:
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Come on. Be honest. Would you guys pay anywhere near the money we would? And I don't say that in a braggish way. I wish we Canadians would tell the NHL to stuff their World Cup.
 
Erikfromfin said:
Jea its finally confirmed (officially in a month). Kummola says this time they will not play any games in Europe but the entire tournament will be held in Toronto and Montreal. To compensate Kummola says they are planning to play atleast 1 Friendly match in Europe between Finland and Sweden thou before the tournament.
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Don't bother in Sweden. People will not care in the slightest about an exhibition game where players are not trying their hardest. And rightfully so.
 
Jonimaus said:
Don't bother in Sweden. People will not care in the slightest about an exhibition game where players are not trying their hardest. And rightfully so.
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You have proof that players are not trying their hardest? Of course you don't, but it makes your foolish stance somewhat palatable I guess.
 
Jussi said:
Well the last time it was obvious several players were either very out of shape or not trying that hard.
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This was the semi final game at the 2004 World Cup. Someone point out and tell me which player is out of shape and who is not trying, for those who think along such lines.
 
JackSlater said:
You have proof that players are not trying their hardest? Of course you don't, but it makes your foolish stance somewhat palatable I guess.
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It's really not uncommon for players to not try their hardest in friendly pre-tournament games. :laugh: But hey, I'm sure many players are interested in getting injured in a game that means nothing. Just like the NHL all-star games are super exciting!

(I'm assuming you're just not very good at reading and somehow missed that part, that the game I commented on was not part of the tournament, you know, to make your foolish post look more like a misstake and less foolish.
 
Jonimaus said:
It's really not uncommon for players to not try their hardest in friendly pre-tournament games. :laugh: But hey, I'm sure many players are interested in getting injured in a game that means nothing. Just like the NHL all-star games are super exciting!

(I'm assuming you're just not very good at reading and somehow missed that part, that the game I commented on was not part of the tournament, you know, to make your foolish post look more like a misstake and less foolish.
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So you have your opinion... very nice. I was able to attend an exhibition game prior to the 1987 Canada Cup, and I saw far more effort from some of those players than I saw from many players in NHL/WJC games that I've attended in person. I don't automatically discount their effort in those games.
 
JackSlater said:
So? Playing it does NOTHING to diminish the sport. All we're left with is hockey games featuring the world's best players. Who would want that?



Glad to know that you are the authority on the IIHF and able to see past their actual words to some hidden meaning. Congratulations.



Ahhh so it's about your self interest as a European fan. Understood. You're right, the World Cup will not lead to drastic growth of hockey in Europe. Big whoop. It won't detract from the growth of hockey anywhere in the world, and all of the current fans of hockey will be able to enjoy seeing the best players in the world. There is no downside. Glad we've cleared that up.



The World Cup, which can trace its lineage back to 1976 (22 years before the NHL first participated in the Olympics), was designed to stop NHL participation in the 2018 Olympics. Now that's incredible foresight!
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No one really cares about the canada cup in Sweden and hardly anyone will stay up late at night to watch it being played in Canada.
The Olympics and WHC actually creates fans of the sport in Sweden. That is an absolute fact. The Canada cup does not. I can think of several scenarios where a canada cup would be harmfull in that aspect; IF there is no olympic participation but instead a canada cup every four years, is one of those. It's also quite possible that the WHC would be marginalized further in NA aswell as players more inclined to skipp the WHC.
 
Slimmy said:
No one really cares about the canada cup in Sweden and hardly anyone will stay up late at night to watch it being played in Canada.
The Olympics and WHC actually creates fans of the sport in Sweden. That is an absolute fact. The Canada cup does not. I can think of several scenarios where a canada cup would be harmfull in that aspect; IF there is no olympic participation but instead a canada cup every four years, is one of those. It's also quite possible that the WHC would be marginalized further in NA aswell as players more inclined to skipp the WHC.
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So, you are not really interested in the growth of game per se, as you previously claimed, just your own narrow 'what's in my own backyard' the ol' if it ain't good for me it ain't good for anything interpretation of the universe... that encapsulates your hockey fandom? ..

because you know, there's a whole bigger world out there, regions, countries, regions of country in N. America and in Europe were another Best on Best tournament would in fact "grow the game".

And if the IIHF and all the other Hockey Federations combined can't leverage NHL Olympic participation in exchange for their participation in a World Cup, then your argument and your frustration should not be directed at the NHL or North America or any tournament created by the NHL/NHLPA, but to the weak and incompetent international organizing body (IIHF) and to European Federations.... that's where your problem lies and I suggest you start calling Zurich pronto.
 
Mr Writer said:
So, you are not really interested in the growth of game per se, as you previously claimed, just your own narrow 'what's in my own backyard' the ol' if it ain't good for me it ain't good for anything interpretation of the universe... that encapsulates your hockey fandom? ..

because you know, there's a whole bigger world out there, regions, countries, regions of country in N. America and in Europe were another Best on Best tournament would in fact "grow the game".

And if the IIHF and all the other Hockey Federations combined can't leverage NHL Olympic participation in exchange for their participation in a World Cup, then your argument and your frustration should not be directed at the NHL or North America or any tournament created by the NHL/NHLPA, but to the weak and incompetent international organizing body (IIHF) and to European Federations.... that's where your problem lies and I suggest you start calling Zurich pronto.
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Just like Canadians want a tourney they will enjoy, so do europeans. What is it that is so hard to grasp?
And like I've stated several times already, the WHC and the WHJC actually GROW THE ****ING SPORT in contrast to the Canada cup. Come back to me when there's actually any prestige to be had and it's not an invitational held in Canada catering to the NA audience.

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Slimmy said:
Just like Canadians want a tourney they will enjoy, so do europeans. What is it that is so hard to grasp?
And like I've stated several times already, the WHC and the WHJC actually GROW THE ****ING SPORT in contrast to the Canada cup. Come back to me when there's actually any prestige to be had and it's not an invitational held in Canada catering to the NA audience.
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You do have a tournament, an annual event catering to Europe and to the European hockey calendar, it's called the World Hockey Championship. but thanks to the IIHF's ineptitude and incompetence, there's not much prestige in that tournament either...
 
i agree, nothing wrong with them having their own version of the whc. but the nhl officials presume too much here. if someone, for example, were to offer them to halt a season for the whc they would take him for an idiot. but for some reason it's expected from others to bend over backward and meet their demands. i applaud this stance, but don't want to be on the receiving end of it
 
kp61c said:
i agree, nothing wrong with them having their own version of the whc. but the nhl officials presume too much here. if someone, for example, were to offer them to halt a season for the whc they would take him for an idiot. but for some reason it's expected from others to bend over backward and meet their demands. i applaud this stance, but don't want to be on the receiving end of it
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But yet all European leagues seem to be open to and quite willing to build in breaks in their regular season domestic schedules to accommodate international play and tournaments. 4 over the course of the year.

And while I agree with you it, it is a foreign concept for the North American hockey fan, it is a part of the European hockey fan experience.
 
Mr Writer said:
But yet all European leagues seem to be open to and quite willing to build in breaks in their regular season domestic schedules to accommodate international play and tournaments. 4 over the course of the year.
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and, your point here? we may heap one more tournament on because there're so many of them already. one more, one less, who cares? that doesn't make any sense

Mr Writer said:
And while I agree with you it, it is a foreign concept for the North American hockey fan, it is a part of the European hockey fan experience.
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well, it's a foreign concept for blacks to use public libraries in the early 1900s. and so they didn't.
 
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