Some details about the World Cup...
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With the first option the tournaments would have 17 and 30 months between them. With the second option the tournaments would have 29 and 18 months between them. So in reality the difference between those two systems is not a whole season, the difference is one month. You can calculate it anyway you want, but in the real world it's a really marginal difference whether the tournaments are 17 or 18 months apart.
This is really silly. I don't believe that a real hockey fan won't watch this. If you won't, then you don't really care about hoceky, that's my opinion, and hockey doesn't need fans like this.
I didn't know that. So if it was IIHF attempt I understand that clubs built their own champions league and NHL is preparing it's own international tourney
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If the IIHF and Euro nations want the NHL to participate in the next OG then they are going to have to go along with the WCup. It is just as likely that we could end up not having either, and if that was the case the NHL probably wouldn't lose any sleep over it.
That's the most likely deal, but then you'd expect it to be the first proposal to start with as well which clearly is not the case now. Someone might even ask whether the NHL wants this to fail so that they don't have to go to Korea and can blame someone else for the failure.
The IIHF could make way more money working with the NHL, than they do with the IOC, but it would require some fresh thinking and I'm not sure the IIHF is up to that.
How would South Korea be any different than Nagano in terms of what time they play? They are in the same time zone....
Unfortunately for you the NHL holds all the power here and they know that if they committed to the next OG now in exchange for Euro commitment to a WCup that there is no guarantee that the top Euro players would actually show up at the WCup since their national teams can't force them to come.
And by what? By whether a tournament is organized by the IIHF or the NHL I guess
I'd rather go see the Norwegian league finals than the NHL All-Star Game.
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And by what? By whether a tournament is organized by the IIHF or the NHL I guess
I guess that would have a lot to do with it...another factor would be what value is placed on the "prize" or trophy up for grabs... and if some people don't see any value in that, then I certainly understand that particular point of view, since I don't place any real value or significance in the "trophy" up for grabs in that annual IIHF May charade.
Another thing the KHL might want out of World Cup participation is NHL commitment to playing inter-league games, touring KHL teams in N. America and NHL teams playing in KHL cities.
It depends.
But there is one important thing. Players playing the All-star game don't really want to win and know that it's mainly about having fun, and really doesn't matter if you win 16-10, or 9-8. But players playing the World Cup exactly know what the tournament is about, that the winner is the best team in the world, they care about it, they wanna win. It's not about having fun, it's actually about tactics and trying your best to win.
A major difference, one would think.
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They're not the ones wanting NHL participation, they could easily go with European based pros. They don't have any big stake in it.
I saw some of the games, and I really don't think there was anything wrong with the hockey. It was a very good hockey actually. Definitely better than in Sochi, for example.
I think you are wrong. In my opinion, the IIHFdefinitely wants the best players to play at the olympics. I believe that I once heard that Rene Fasel, the president of the IIHF, said that it was definitely a goal to make sure the NHL players would play at the olympics and that he was hoping it would happen. (I think it was before the 2014 games, maybe in 2011, or something like that).
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No, they don't. You're mistakenly assuming the IIHF and European countries would have a problem with an Olympic tournament without NHL players. It would only increase chances of winning/medalling. The fact is NHL can't do a World Cup without European countries and needs to give something back to them and i'm not sure if tehy can give anything to e.g. Russia.The quality of the competition in 2004 was much better than the last OG, so not sure what your point is.
Then maybe we have seen the end of best on best international hockey, which isn't the end of the world.
The NHL and its North Americans fans pays hundreds of millions of dollars to Europeans every year, the NHL certainly doesn't owe Europe anything. If you feel European NHLers owe Europeans something then that is your problem.
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Nope, the only thing different was that countries had more NHL players then. That was not the case in Sotchi, due to players aging or injuries. Once again, Finland played better even in 2014 than in 2004.
Fasel tends to say a lot things to suck up to NHL, IOC or Putin. Fasel being a member of IOC means he has another motive for saying something like that. He however doesn't make decisions in the IIHF alone.
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That wasn't what I was saying at all. Try reading my post again, this time with thought (especially the Russia part).
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