Soccer Prospect Discussion Thread VI

[Evilo]

Again, you said "currently", which doesn't define this season.
Please define currently then. Because if it's 2022...
Pedri? Mendes?
Camavinga between january and june was key in a CL run on the CL winning team (and the other guy who said he was a backup seriously needs to watch football if he thinks he has a point, since any Real fan would tell you immense he was).
If it's "last month", then Antonio Silva has been more important than Musiala over the last month.
If it's "last week", Desire Doue, 2005 born, scored 2 goals in 2 games (including a highlight reel) and a game winning goal at the 89th in Europe after pressuring a defenseman, getting the ball back and scoring.

So please what exactly does your "currently" use mean?

 

[cgf]

Again, you said "currently", which doesn't define this season.
Please define currently then. Because if it's 2022...
Pedri? Mendes?
Camavinga between january and june was key in a CL run on the CL winning team (and the other guy who said he was a backup seriously needs to watch football if he thinks he has a point, since any Real fan would tell you immense he was).
If it's "last month", then Antonio Silva has been more important than Musiala over the last month.
If it's "last week", Desire Doue, 2005 born, scored 2 goals (including a highlight reel) and a game winning goal at the 89th in Europe after pressuring a defenseman, getting the ball back and scoring.

So please what exactly does your "currently" use mean?

I mean since Musiala elevated his game over the summer.

...like I said in my very first post on this subject; which is why I keep writing "this season" in my posts...

 

[Evilo]

Nagelsmann's really doing a nice job with Bayern's youth. Musiala has taken his game to a new level and is currently the best teenager in europe.

Apparently, you're writing things you forget about.
This was your post I disagreed with.

Musiala is not "currently" the best teenager in Europe and if he is, then it's VERY arguable.

 

[cgf]

You're right that unlike 95% of my posts on here I haven't been couching my comments on this subject with an "arguably" or "probably"...but that's because I have yet to see a compelling argument for anyone else *shrug*

I love spanish-Wirtz & his little friend and was one of the first non-Barca fans on here hyping either of them; Bellingham has taken his game to a new level this season himself; Wirtz was better than Musiala last season prior to his knee injury...and there are a ton of other great young players.

But since this season started, Musiala has elevated his game to a new level and I just don't know of any teenager in europe that is currently playing better than Jamal Musiala...or even as well...and to me, it is by a clear margin.

The same way Haaland having been clearly better than Lewa the past few seasons (when fit) didn't mean that Lewa wasn't himself a worldclass striker who was absolutely lethal, just that Erling was on an even higher level

 

[Evilo]

Well I'll just disagree with your assesment.
Right now If I had to build a team from scratch, I'd take Pedri or Silva over Musiala. Probably Camavinga too.

 

[cgf]

Apparently, you're writing things you forget about.
This was your post I disagreed with.

Musiala is not "currently" the best teenager in Europe and if he is, then it's VERY arguable.

Is it not obvious from the whole post that I am talking about this season? Tel & Gravenberch weren't Bayern players last year so how could this comment be referring to anything before the summer?

Nagelsmann's really doing a nice job with Bayern's youth. Musiala has taken his game to a new level and is currently the best teenager in europe. Tel, Wanner & Gravenberch make regular cameos. Stanisic is in the CB rotation.

Just need Ibrahimovic to start getting cameos and all of their top kids will be getting burn at the senior level.

Nevermind where I've posted about Musiala's improvement this season & specifically said that I was talking about this season:

1) Wahi is a striker & Musiala is a midfielder.
2) Assists are a thing; a thing where Musiala happens to lead by 8 to 1
3) That's not even true. Wahi has 5 goals in all competitions this season (1 goal every 168 minutes); Musiala has 7 goals in all competitions this season (1 goal every 115 minutes).

So I repeat; Musiala has hit a new level and there's not a teenager in europe who is as good as he has been this season. The kid is creating a goal or assist every 53.667 minutes this season.

To me, Musiala was closer to Bellingham last season -- and was arguably better in the second half of the season -- than Jude is to Jamal this season (so far); while Musiala has hit the higher heights.

He might not sustain at this level, but atm I can't give the nod to anyone but Musiala. He's not just Bayern's best player this season, he's been the best player in the league.

...other than Becker...

 

[Evilo]

Yes I told you you moved the goalposts. I told you a few times to define currently.
Anyway, agree to disagree.

 

[cgf]

Yes I told you you moved the goalposts. I told you a few times to define currently.
Anyway, agree to disagree.

Is that why the instant I made it clear that when I said "currently" I was talking about the current season you ignored it?

It's ok, you can be wrong. Not the first time.

 

[Evilo]

Would actually be a first, but no.
You kept on ignoring what I told you about the "currently". I made it clear from the get-go.

And I'm not wrong since I disagree with you. Most likely means I'm right actually

 

[cgf]

Would actually be a first, but no.
You kept on ignoring what I told you about the "currently". I made it clear from the get-go.

And I'm not wrong since I disagree with you. Most likely means I'm right actually

this is art. I don't think you could capture yourself more perfectly.

 

[Evilo]

Indeed, fits perfectly.
You keep on writing definite sentences that are HIGHLY arguable, but you have no shame telling people they're wrong when they disagree by pointing obvious names like Camavinga, Silva or Pedri.

 

[cgf]

Indeed, fits perfectly.
You keep on writing definite sentences that are HIGHLY arguable, but you have no shame telling people they're wrong when they disagree by pointing obvious names like Camavinga, Silva or Pedri.

It really does


And I am. As I mentioned in my previous post, I almost never do this...I know that throwing around absolutes and calling people stupid when they disagree is your schtick...my schtick is always being 100% reasonable

But sometimes things are obvious...and one of those obvious things is that Musiala has been even better than Moukoko, Pedri, Gavi, Camavinga, Silva, Bellingham, and every other teenager in europe; since taking his game to a new level this season.

It may not last and others may reach even higher levels in the future, but right now...this season...Musiala has been in a class of his own.

 

[Evilo]

Link me to my "absolutes" please.
Or stop posting crappy things all the time.
You throw absolutes every single time as biased as the come while accusing others of being biased.
Your list of German evaluations is a long story of hilarious overratings but you continue here again...

 

[cgf]

Link me to my "absolutes" please.
Or stop posting crappy things all the time.
You throw absolutes every single time as biased as the come while accusing others of being biased.
Your list of German evaluations is a long story of hilarious overratings but you continue here again...

I will be disappointed if I ever come on here and discover that some spoil-sport has told you about self-awareness

 

[Evilo]

So ironic!
Take a look at your predictions in term of players breaking through and then the end reulsts.
Then try to be more humble about your definite sentences like the one before.
Of course I'm only trying to help. You have every right to continue to do your thing and act highly to others when they call you out for it.

 

[cgf]

So ironic!
Take a look at your predictions in term of players breaking through and then the end reulsts.
Then try to be more humble about your definite sentences like the one before.
Of course I'm only trying to help. You have every right to continue to do your thing and act highly to others when they call you out for it.

I include some version of "arguably" & "probably" in almost every post I make on here that isn't a one-line joke post and am a pathological peace-maker / consensus-builder.

...which is why I really appreciate getting to set aside my nice-guy-impulses when we're talking s***; especially with certain fans of EPL teams that suck at spending ;-)

So are you mixing me up with someone else?



And just because I'm too classy to ever remind people that the likes of Maouassa, Harit, Fekir, Rabiot, Martial, Lemar, Ndombele, Ben Arfa, Zouma, Umtiti, etc., all failed to live up to the massive hype you used to give them...

...the way you continually harp on about Dahoud, Draxler, Tah, Gotze, & Eggestein...doesn't mean that we've forgotten all of your embarrassing mistakes.

Though admittedly, I have forgotten a lot of your misses, I remember more than enough to go name for name with you if you really want to.

 

[Evilo]

Massive hype on those guys?
Really?
Link please.
I'll help : was never high in Moussa, failure cgf 1
Never rated Harit as more than a good young prospect failure cgf 2
Rated Fekir very highly until he blew his knee. Have made it clear he was never the same since. Failure 3 for cgf who's on a roll!
Rated Rabiot very highly indeed I'll take the L there.
Was always a big critic of Martial and made fun of United for paying that much for him. Another L for you.
Lemar I was high on and still am. I believe he's still a quality player in a bad situation. He has a CL record Musiala will never beat BTW
Ndombele I was high on and only fools would deny his talent level. But I'll take the L if you want.
Ben Arfa I don't consider a wrong. He reached heights few have.
Zouma I thought was a very solid CB. And he has been for most of his career. I never rated him as a future top 3 CB so not sure what you mean.
Then finally Umtiti which is hilarious. I was not high on him at all and was called out for it because he became World Class and I didn't expect it. So if you're trying to say I overrated him not only did you miss the fact I underrated him but you also missed the fact he was world class before his injury.

Man that's quite the failure you had there.
You tried to list every french player who didn't live up to expectations ignoring I didn't rate some of them at all or that some of actually did become world class.

Disaster post.

 

[cgf]

Massive hype on those guys?
Really?
Link please.
I'll help : was never high in Moussa, failure cgf 1
Never rated Harit as more than a good young prospect failure cgf 2
Rated Fekir very highly until he blew his knee. Have made it clear he was never the same since. Failure 3 for cgf who's on a roll!
Rated Rabiot very highly indeed I'll take the L there.
Was always a big critic of Martial and made fun of United for paying that much for him. Another L for you.
Lemar I was high on and still am. I believe he's still a quality player in a bad situation. He has a CL record Musiala will never beat BTW
Ndombele I was high on and only fools would deny his talent level. But I'll take the L if you want.
Ben Arfa I don't consider a wrong. He reached heights few have.
Zouma I thought was a very solid CB. And he has been for most of his career. I never rated him as a future top 3 CB so not sure what you mean.
Then finally Umtiti which is hilarious. I was not high on him at all and was called out for it because he became World Class and I didn't expect it. So if you're trying to say I overrated him not only did you miss the fact I underrated him but you also missed the fact he was world class before his injury.

Man that's quite the failure you had there.
You tried to list every french player who didn't live up to expectations ignoring I didn't rate some of them at all or that some of actually did become world class.

Disaster post.

If health issues are an excuse then you can't talk s*** about kids like Gotze, Yesil, or Eggestein ever again. And if attitude issues are a valid excuse, then you can't mention Dahoud, Tah, or Draxler either. So, using your own rules, when have I ever been wrong?



Why should it matter if you were actually high on the kid? When has that ever stopped you from talking s*** about kids that I was never high on

...FWIW I did initially have Umtiti listed with a questionmark because I couldn't remember whether you were extra high or extra low on him, just that you had a strong opinion about him, but you defended Martial for way too long to pretend like you didn't ever hype him at all.

And you were definitely very high on Harit. I remember you talking about how he'd be better than Özil...right until the moment he left Ligue 1 for the BuLi & switched NTs; revealing his low-character. After that, you changed your tune about Harit right quick...

 

[Evilo]

No I never overhyped Martial. Go and check it out. At the time of his transfer I said he was a very quick player with potential but far from an 80 M player. The same things I said about Antony BTW.
Harit better than Ozil. LMAO.
Please link or admit you're simply lying like you've done in your last posts. Go ahead find me that quote.
As for the health I guess you're referring to Umtiti who was already WC when he got injured (can't believe you listed him as a disappointment lol) and Fekir and I said straight away wasn't the same afterwards. And he went on to have an awesome career even without his explosiveness. Among the best liga players last year.

So yeah... Disaster post part II.

 

[Evilo]

So far you've managed to tell me I was wrong on Rabiot and Ndombele out of your very long list.
I've been wrong on many others BTW, so you need to come up with better names than making things up about Harit and others. Or classify Umtiti as a failure

Meanwhile I can list about 50 names of guys that have become stars over the last 20 years that I hyped up on HFB.
I have trouble finding many names from your corner.

You should enjoy the Union game instead of posting lies.

 

[cgf]

So was two hours enough time for you to think of someone I was actually wrong about? No? Cool

 

[Evilo]

Fortunately I don't plan on spending any time on this.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

As overrated as Gavi is, Pedri is not much better.

I call Pedri and Gavi the free minutes kids. Barcelona gives these kids unlimited chances to play poorly because they think they’ll be the next Xavi and Iniesta. The reality is that they have combined for 1801 minutes this season and 2G, 0 assists. They might end up Barcelona quality in 10 years, but aren’t in 2022. They have de Jong and Kessie on the bench for these two kids. This is part of why they’re not a good team. Can’t get no goal contributions from your midfield.

 

[cgf]

As overrated as Gavi is, Pedri is not much better.

I call Pedri and Gavi the free minutes kids. Barcelona gives these kids unlimited chances to play poorly because they think they’ll be the next Xavi and Iniesta. The reality is that they have combined for 1801 minutes this season and 2G, 0 assists. They might end up Barcelona quality in 10 years, but aren’t in 2022. They have de Jong and Kessie on the bench for these two kids. This is part of why they’re not a good team. Can’t get no goal contributions from your midfield.

lol how many goals & assists does Bellingham have outside of the CL?

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

lol how many goals & assists does Bellingham have outside of the CL?

Two, in like half the amount of minutes. And you can’t take away a key competition like that. Bellingham brings more than goal contributions. He has a real defensive component to his game. Pedri and Gavi don’t. They get owned weekly by Bastoni flexing on them on Instagram for lacking a physical component to their game.

Bellingham has been up and down this season, anyway, so there’s little issue with some criticism his way, but he’s much better, regardless.