So what happened to Hannu Toivonen ?

[Ravenscar]

I saw this thread on this board:
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=151024

So what happened to the guy with star potential.

 

[I Hate Blake Coleman]

That thread is so bad

 

[FoppaForsberg*]

This is why you should always take HF, or any message board's opinions with a huge grain of salt.

 

[Whiston532]

Didn't Edmonton pick him up not too long ago ?

 

[Jumptheshark]

I saw this thread on this board:
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=151024

So what happened to the guy with star potential.

goalies are a gamble on a good day--let alone a bad day. He had a good run the year of his draft and his stock went up He just did not have reflecesses and quickness for the NHL and ahl

the vote on that thread is pretty funny

 

[Teemu Salami]

Rask and Price have starting goalie potential

 

[WarriorOfGandhi]

I love reading those old threads. It's entertaining to go back to drafts of past years and see the posts of "________ is a steal" of a guy who never even played a single NHL game

 

[RJ8812*]

now and forever

 

[Bridges31]

IIRC, he started out strong with the Bruins but struggled after a couple of foot/ankle injuries and never looked the same again.

I remember him being very athletic. Bruins traded him to the Blues for Carl Soderberg after the emergence of Tim Thomas.

When he was playing for Providence in 2007, I went to a Monarchs game to watch him specifically as I've always been a goalie fan and he flipped a puck to me over the glass during pre-game. I was 17 at the time and probably acted like a 6 year old leaping for the puck. I was nice enough to hand it to a little kid though.

 

[Stephen]

Bruins realized Toivonen and Raycroft sucked, went with Thomas, ripped off the Leafs and got Rask and never looked back.

 

[KirkOut]

He was noticeably terrible on the Blues in an era that included Patrick Lalime, Tom Barasso, Curtis Sanford, and Christian Beckford-Tseu

 

[Skobel24]

This is why you should always take HF, or any message board's opinions with a huge grain of salt.

Reminds me of the Justin Schultz signing thread on the Oilers board.

 

[tarheelhockey]

If we had a thread right now of which 2014 draftee goalie would have the best career, it would likely turn out the same way.

 

[Skobel24]

If we had a thread right now of which 2014 draftee goalie would have the best career, it would likely turn out the same way.

Agreed. We'd be better off pulling names out of a hat and placing em in that order.

 

[Lost Horizons]

He was a product of the old oversized goalie equipment. Same with Raycroft. They could just go into the butterfly and the puck would hit them. With the small gear they just couldn't compete. They didn't have the side to side speed/ability or good glove hands so they were easy to beat. They were exposed.

 

[Amadeus]

I'm usually pretty bang on with prospects and what their ceiling would be in the NHL. I was dead wrong on two prospects - Hannu Toivonen and Sam Gagner. I thought both would be studs.

 

[Makar Goes Fast]

best comment
"who voted for the other guys anyhow"

 

[tp71]

He was a product of the old oversized goalie equipment. Same with Raycroft. They could just go into the butterfly and the puck would hit them. With the small gear they just couldn't compete. They didn't have the side to side speed/ability or good glove hands so they were easy to beat. They were exposed.

Not really. I got lucky enough to see him live in Hameenlinna in the World Jrs. He had the best butterfly I've probably ever seen. He was a very good goaltender with high potential. He had a bad high ankle sprain with the Bruins and was never the same again. His best season was 05-06 when the equipment changes were first made. So your assertion is far from true. Injuries did him in.

 

[tp71]

He was noticeably terrible on the Blues in an era that included Patrick Lalime, Tom Barasso, Curtis Sanford, and Christian Beckford-Tseu

Don't forget Reinhard Divis.

 

[Lost Horizons]

Not really. I got lucky enough to see him live in Hameenlinna in the World Jrs. He had the best butterfly I've probably ever seen. He was a very good goaltender with high potential. He had a bad high ankle sprain with the Bruins and was never the same again. His best season was 05-06 when the equipment changes were first made. So your assertion is far from true. Injuries did him in.

I watched his entire career with the B's. I watched him go in to the butterfly on shots from the point and i watched simple wrist shots from the point go over his shoulder and into the net. With the old pads he could just shrug and they would just hit him. With the small pads they went in. He was so used to the big pads and playing in the butterfly the whole time he couldn't adjust to having to be a stand up goalie with the small pads. This isn't a new criticism or revisionist history here. I was saying it years ago with him. Playing in the butterfly the whole time with big pads worked for him(and others) but when the small gear came along he didn't adjust his technique to it. He was getting exposed and lit up even before the ankle injury. The ankle injury did more harm to his mental state then to his physical one.

 

[CharasInCharge]

I'm just thankful he netted us Soderberg. Soderberg and Rask for Raycroft and Toivonen isn't too shabby.

 

[tp71]

I watched his entire career with the B's. I watched him go in to the butterfly on shots from the point and i watched simple wrist shots from the point go over his shoulder and into the net. With the old pads he could just shrug and they would just hit him. With the small pads they went in. He was so used to the big pads and playing in the butterfly the whole time he couldn't adjust to having to be a stand up goalie with the small pads. This isn't a new criticism or revisionist history here. I was saying it years ago with him. Playing in the butterfly the whole time with big pads worked for him(and others) but when the small gear came along he didn't adjust his technique to it. He was getting exposed and lit up even before the ankle injury. The ankle injury did more harm to his mental state then to his physical one.

Really? Cause his high ankle sprain happened in the 2005-06 season and then his numbers plummeted in the 2006-07 season. Small equipment one season, small equipment the next. A high ankle sprain derailed him. He was never the same after that injury.

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/hannu_toivonen/

 

[Lost Horizons]

Really? Cause his high ankle sprain happened in the 2005-06 season and then his numbers plummeted in the 2006-07 season. Small equipment one season, small equipment the next. A high ankle sprain derailed him. He was never the same after that injury.

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/hannu_toivonen/

big equipment:

03-04 2.30 .921
04-05 2.05 .932

the nhl changed the pad size after the lockout

small equipment before the ankle injury

05-06 2.63 .914

his gaa went up and his save percentage went down. I wonder why that was? and his numbers kept going down after that and even years later after his ankle injury his numbers are terrible.

 

[Kamiccolo]

This is another example when people use HF polls to try and disprove others opinions. This site is a great source for keeping up with hockey and discussing it, but it's one draw back is certain players get a reputation and it never changes.

Also it didn't help that Rask was a Toronto prospect and Price a habs prospect. Both teams get their players unfairly valued sometimes, and it has always been that way it seems.

 

[Whiston532]

Wow. That thread is a good mine.

Does anybody know of any other ones ? I get the whole hindsight thing. But wow is that just funny to read.