So the Canucks were a product of PDO all this time? Or are they still a legitimate contender?

[Romang67]

Top PDO %s since 2016. The PDO narrative is fun but Vancouver didn't do anything that doesn't happen yearly. Washington and Winnipeg are both on pace to eclipse what Vancouver had for PDO.

Boston with the historic regular season run and then losing in the first round the Florida is a better example of a team riding high PDO. Vancouver at least was within a goal for the Conference Final

2016 - Washington 103%, Minnesota 102.3%
2017 - Nashville 102.5%, Nashville 102.3%
2018 - Tampa 104%, Islander 102.3%
2019 - Boston 102.6%, Tampa 102.6%
2020 - Pittsburgh 102.6%, Vegas 102.6%
2021 - Rangers 102.5%, Tampa 102.5%, Minnesota 102.5%
2022 - Boston 104.2%, Dallas 102.4%
2023 - Vancouver 102.9%, Winnipeg 102.7%, Boston 102.6%
2024 - Washington 104.5%, Winnipeg 104.6%

Don't try to calculate PDO on all situations. Teams don't have equally strong special teams.

 

[Mez]

Seems like last years Canucks are this year's Capitals.

and before that the 21/22 Flames. Oilers ended the Flames dreams and ended the Canucks dreams. According to science the Oilers and Caps will meet in the finals with the Oilers winning.

 

[BertMcDrai]

and before that the 21/22 Flames. Oilers ended the Flames dreams and ended the Canucks dreams. According to science the Oilers and Caps will meet in the finals with the Oilers winning.

Would be a great story, even for Ovi to get one last big run and the Oilers finally win it all.

 

[DEANYOUNGBLOOD17]

First round exits for Caps / Oilers and as usual the Buds….

The regular 1 st Round upsets as usual….

 

[Regal]

The canucks are 22nd in the league in regulation wins..... twist it however you want, they are a below average team

They’re tied with Calgary for 16th in the league in regulation record. That’s average, which is what .500 means, chum. There’s no twisting, they’re an average team with a poor OT record.

 

[TheOrangeDesk]

They’re tied with Calgary for 16th in the league in regulation record. That’s average, which is what .500 means, chum. There’s no twisting, they’re an average team with a poor OT record.

they are 22nd in league with 16 regulation wins in 46 games. Calgary has 16 regulation wins in 45 games.
do me a favor and let me know if there are more teams above them at 22nd in a 32 team league or below them, chum.


edit, heres a picture, since you seem to have trouble with my first comment

 

[Regal]

calling someone a moron after you get caught not knowing how to count is a strange twist

Are you seriously doubling down? Yikes

 

[TheOrangeDesk]

Are you seriously doubling down? Yikes

so you start by saying " I just think sometimes there can be too much focus on OT record"

i tell you canucks are 22nd in regulation wins.

you then go on to say they are 16th because you cant count properly

when i give you a picture clearly showing this you throw a temper tantrum and call me a moron.... okay chum

 

[Regal]

so you start by saying " I just think sometimes there can be too much focus on OT record"

i tell you canucks are 22nd in regulation wins.

you then go on to say they are 16th because you cant count properly

when i give you a picture clearly showing this you throw a temper tantrum and call me a moron.... okay chum

Do me a favour, go ahead and calculate how many points a 16-16-13 record paces for over 82 games, then calculate how many points a 16-16-14 record paces for over 82 games. I’ll wait…

Here’s the regulation records of all the teams btw, since you seem to believe that regulation wins is the same thing

 

[Brookbank]

Seems like last years Canucks are this year's Capitals.

Garbage take

A team with prime age Hughs , Hronek , Petterson , Miller and Demko doesn't compare with a team that won a cup in 2018 and is built around a 40 year old Ovechkin.

But keep saying it if it makes you feel good

 

[BertMcDrai]

Garbage take

A team with prime age Hughs , Hronek , Petterson , Miller and Demko doesn't compare with a team that won a cup in 2018 and is built around a 40 year old Ovechkin.

But keep saying it if it makes you feel good

Your prime super team isn't even in a playoff spot while the other team is No 1 in the whole league.
So you are right it doesn't compare, one isn't good but the other is.

 

[TheOrangeDesk]

Do me a favour, go ahead and calculate how many points a 16-16-13 record paces for over 82 games, then calculate how many points a 16-16-14 record paces for over 82 games. I’ll wait…



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Here’s the regulation records of all the teams btw, since you seem to believe that regulation wins is the same thing

ahhhhh yes the famous regulation win % used by the NHL for determining records and tie breaks.

so your saying actual standings arent a good indicator of canucks, regulation wins arent a good indicator for the canucks. what we actually need is regulation win%. remember when i said "no matter how you twist it canucks are a below average team. keep twisting fella

 

[Brookbank]

and before that the 21/22 Flames. Oilers ended the Flames dreams and ended the Canucks dreams. According to science the Oilers and Caps will meet in the finals with the Oilers winning.

A game 7 coin flip really ended the Canucks dreams. If the Oilers actually lost that series , it would have came back the next year with NHL goaltending. So maybe it was a curse in disguise.

 

[RedHawkDown]

Garbage take

A team with prime age Hughs , Hronek , Petterson , Miller and Demko doesn't compare with a team that won a cup in 2018 and is built around a 40 year old Ovechkin.

But keep saying it if it makes you feel good

Perhaps it's time to start realizing that some of those players aren't as good as you think they are.

Hronek, for example, is not close to what he was last year and the guy you're seeing now is who he has been for the rest of his time in the NHL.

The Caps also have much better depth than Vancouver. Their D is far better beyond Hughes.

 

[TheOrangeDesk]

A game 7 coin flip really ended the Canucks dreams. If the Oilers actually lost that series , it would have came back the next year with NHL goaltending. So maybe it was a curse in disguise.

"coin flip"

 

[Regal]

ahhhhh yes the famous regulation win % used by the NHL for determining records and tie breaks.

so your saying actual standings arent a good indicator of canucks, regulation wins arent a good indicator for the canucks. what we actually need is regulation win%. remember when i said "no matter how you twist it canucks are a below average team. keep twisting fella

Win% is the standard for the NHL. The fact that you tried to use only wins is irrelevant to the fact that nobody uses wins alone to determine record. So you trying to pretend that two styles of records aren’t good enough and that means I’m twisting anything is BS because the second form of record you were trying to use is irrelevant in the first place.

The facts are the Canucks are a .500 team in regulation, which is middle of the pack, and their 4-10 OT/SO record makes their overall record look worse. You’re the one trying to twist it into anything else

 

[Grifter3511]

"coin flip"

Not that I disagree with your premise. As a Canucks fan I am very comfortable saying the team is garbage. But when Skinner is in net, it's always a coin flip. The Oilers team in front of him seemed to know that too. Hence why they did everything they could to take it out of Skinner's hands.

 

[TheOrangeDesk]

Not that I disagree with your premise. As a Canucks fan I am very comfortable saying the team is garbage. But when Skinner is in net, it's always a coin flip. The Oilers team in front of him seemed to know that too. Hence why they did everything they could to take it out of Skinner's hands.

yeah skinner is by far the weakest link on oilers i agree

Win% is the standard for the NHL. The fact that you tried to use only wins is irrelevant to the fact that nobody uses wins alone to determine record. So you trying to pretend that two styles of records aren’t good enough and that means I’m twisting anything is BS because the second form of record you were trying to use is irrelevant in the first place.

The facts are the Canucks are a .500 team in regulation, which is middle of the pack, and their 4-10 OT/SO record makes their overall record look worse. You’re the one trying to twist it into anything else

and what is the canucks win%? ill help you get started, 20 wins in 46 games.
which two styles of records did i dispute? im telling you by points%, win% and regulation wins the canucks are below average, I'm sorry that throws you into such a frothing rage that you need to send out so many insults

 

[Regal]

yeah skinner is by far the weakest link on oilers i agree


and what is the canucks win%? ill help you get started, 20 wins in 46 games.
which two styles of records did i dispute? im telling you by points%, win% and regulation wins the canucks are below average, I'm sorry that throws you into such a frothing rage that you need to send out so many insults

Not frothing just baffled. I mentioned they were unlucky in OT and their regulation record is .500, both of which are correct, and you used wins alone (which nobody uses) to suggest it was below average. Again, their regulation record is average. There’s zero argument for a .500 record being below average. You can keep trying to spin it, but that is the reality

 

[Three On Zero]

Don't try to calculate PDO on all situations. Teams don't have equally strong special teams.

Doesn’t matter which way you try to calculate PDO, it’s a garbage stat. it’s too heavily influenced by external data to have any meaningful information. Might as well use it at face value at take it at all situations where it’s the most even playing field.

 

[TheOrangeDesk]

Doesn’t matter which way you try to calculate PDO, it’s a garbage stat. it’s too heavily influenced by external data to have any meaningful information. Might as well use it at face value at take it at all situations where it’s the most even playing field.

totally garbage, if only it could have shown us last year that canucks surprise success wasn't sustainable

 

[Three On Zero]

totally garbage, if only it could have shown us last year that canucks surprise success wasn't sustainable

You’re right, it is garbage. PDO doesn’t show anything.

 

[Romang67]

Doesn’t matter which way you try to calculate PDO, it’s a garbage stat. it’s too heavily influenced by external data to have any meaningful information. Might as well use it at face value at take it at all situations where it’s the most even playing field.

Why is it a garbage stat? Over time, do teams not tend to gravitate toward a PDO of 1, with some wiggle room for teams with consistently elite or awful goaltenders?

Making it all situations is making the assumptions that teams can't consistently carry a higher than average sh% or sv% on the PP (which doesn't hold water) and that all teams will score a near equal number of ENG.

Neither assumption is valid.

 

[Three On Zero]

Why is it a garbage stat? Over time, do teams not tend to gravitate toward a PDO of 1, with some wiggle room for teams with consistently elite or awful goaltenders?

Making it all situations is making the assumptions that teams can't consistently carry a higher than average sh% or sv% on the PP (which doesn't hold water) and that all teams will score a near equal number of ENG.

Neither assumption is valid.

Because it doesn’t factor in personnel changes, injuries, player utilization. It’s a very rudimentary stat that only has merit if the circumstances don’t change.

To compare a team year over year and have the “durrrr PDO!” Attitude, the team needs to stay the same, with the same injury rate.

 

[Romang67]

Because it doesn’t factor in personnel changes, injuries, player utilization. It’s a very rudimentary stat that only has merit if the circumstances don’t change.

To compare a team year over year and have the “durrrr PDO!” Attitude, the team needs to stay the same, with the same injury rate.

How so? Do teams not tend to gravitate to a PDO of 1, with some wiggle room for exceptionally poor or great goaltending?

Is there a team out there that has had a statistically significantly higher sh% than other teams in the league year after year? 5v5 that is.

It's a simple stat. Simple doesn't make it bad.