So the Canucks were a product of PDO all this time? Or are they still a legitimate contender?

[Else Ermine]

I came into this thread for some delicious schadenfreude but the Canucks are 2nd in the division in points %??

If Hronek is out long term you might yet be in luck, just give it a while longer. Now's not the time for grave dancing with the Canucks.
Could try the Rangers in the meantime?

 

[benfranklin]

The Canucks were a top 10 team last year that took EDM to game 7 in round 2 and likely win that series if Demko was in net.

To make a comparison to a team like Buffalo that hasn't even made the playoffs in like a decade is asinine.

Canucks are hovering around top 10 again despite having anywhere between 1 and 3 key players out of the lineup for every game so far this season. If they can get healthy and add a good piece at the deadline which they are surely looking to do, they have a legit chance. Would I put them in the Florida or Dallas category? Probably not but they're also not a pretender.

Its the whole point of this thread. I've been saying that about the Avalanche too with injuries and finally gave up. It simply isnt their year.

Whats up with Miller? Quitting the team?

Last years Oilers massively overachieved and I think came down to Earth being what we though they were: 2 good players who dont help defensively, an amazing PP, and shit everywhere else. I understand telling yourself "We were one game away from the team that was one period away from winning it all!", but that is lying to yourself IMO. Vegas and Dallas have the depth to take down anyone. The Jets are coming down to Earth and I dont trust Kaprisov doing it all for the whole season, so anything really can happen, but its going to take a lot for the Canucks to go deep in the playoffs.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Its the whole point of this thread. I've been saying that about the Avalanche too with injuries and finally gave up. It simply isnt their year.

Whats up with Miller? Quitting the team?

Last years Oilers massively overachieved and I think came down to Earth being what we though they were: 2 good players who dont help defensively, an amazing PP, and shit everywhere else. I understand telling yourself "We were one game away from the team that was one period away from winning it all!", but that is lying to yourself IMO. Vegas and Dallas have the depth to take down anyone. The Jets are coming down to Earth and I dont trust Kaprisov doing it all for the whole season, so anything really can happen, but its going to take a lot for the Canucks to go deep in the playoffs.

The thing I don't get about this is... why didn't Dallas take out Edmonton then?

 

[2023FriendshipTour]

They're 13-7-3 with all those injuries and JT going MIA.. Seems like a pretty good start to me. If they can add a top 4 steady D and stay healthy they should be in the mix in what is a wide open west.

 

[BCNate]

Their PDO has regressed but they've improved to the middle of the pack in most other categories to compensate as opposed to being near the bottom like they were last year. Still not a contender though imo.

Which is exactly why using one singular stat to forecast a teams downfall doesn't work.

 

[PuckG]

The thing I don't get about this is... why didn't Dallas take out Edmonton then?

Because some people like to live in their deluded little world instead of reality.

Imagine talking about reality and pretending everyone else is lying: “I understand telling yourself "We were one game away from the team that was one period away from winning it all!", but that is lying to yourself IMO.” -benfranklin

Anyways, back to the topic, the Canucks are what most people think they are. A pretty clear playoff team whether injured or not, but not a high-level contender.

 

[kanucks25]

Its the whole point of this thread. I've been saying that about the Avalanche too with injuries and finally gave up. It simply isnt their year.

Whats up with Miller? Quitting the team?

Last years Oilers massively overachieved and I think came down to Earth being what we though they were: 2 good players who dont help defensively, an amazing PP, and shit everywhere else. I understand telling yourself "We were one game away from the team that was one period away from winning it all!", but that is lying to yourself IMO. Vegas and Dallas have the depth to take down anyone. The Jets are coming down to Earth and I dont trust Kaprisov doing it all for the whole season, so anything really can happen, but its going to take a lot for the Canucks to go deep in the playoffs.

I never said the Canucks would have been one game away from winning it all of they beat the Oilers.

All I said was this was a team that was one game away from the 3rd round and likely would have got there if they had their Vezina candidate goaltender instead of a 3rd stringer that was letting in floaters from the point. If people want to disagree with that and think that's living in make-believe land we can agree to disagree, but I don't think it's much of a stretch if any.

And regardless of if they win that game or not, I was just supporting my overall point / response to your original post, which is that grouping the Canucks in with the Sabres is a joke.

 

[TheOrangeDesk]

I never said the Canucks would have been one game away from winning it all of they beat the Oilers.

All I said was this was a team that was one game away from the 3rd round and likely would have got there if they had their Vezina candidate goaltender instead of a 3rd stringer that was letting in floaters from the point. If people want to disagree with that and think that's living in make-believe land we can agree to disagree, but I don't think it's much of a stretch if any.

And regardless of if they win that game or not, I was just supporting my overall point / response to your original post, which is that grouping the Canucks in with the Sabres is a joke.

goaltending is the only reason that series wasnt a sweep. Silov was the canucks best player. skinner was the oilers worst player

 

[FerrisRox]

Last year there was a lot of talk as they had a pretty incredible season finishing 6th and winning the pacific while being in contention for the presidents trophy most of the year. Notably, they had a pretty high PDO last season which was beaten to death. It even ended up with pdo themed avatars being discussed by fans owning it which was fun PDO themed Avatars

But now we are left with the question of what exactly are the Canucks. A team who could never get over the hump, end up having a huge year, and then have an up and down year so far sitting 11th in the league as time of this post.

What are the Canucks? Are they a contender in your mind?

This is kind of a bizarre post. You don't even mention the fact that they haven't played a single game with their starting goaltender all year, despite making a post about comparing this years performance to last year, you don't mention that?

 

[kanucks25]

Another thread of Canuck’s pr

goaltending is the only reason that series wasnt a sweep. Silov was the canucks best player. skinner was the oilers worst player

Lmao?

And to be clear I think the Oilers were definitely the better team overall in that series but Demko could have absolutely made the difference.

 

[Hoglander]

Another thread of Canuck’s pr

goaltending is the only reason that series wasnt a sweep. Silov was the canucks best player. skinner was the oilers worst player

No difference between a 3rd string rookie goalie and a vezina finalist, in your mind? Strange, considering how you're scapegoating on Skinner.

It's hilarious how Oiler fans think: "if we had a better goalie, we win that series easily. But if the Canucks had a better goalie, it wouldn't have mattered"

Silovs made some good saves, but struggled with point shots. Demko would've won the Canucks that series.

 

[Norwegianoiler]

Hypotheticals are important, especially to those who don't like the reality.

 

[TheOrangeDesk]

No difference between a 3rd string rookie goalie and a vezina finalist, in your mind? Strange, considering how you're scapegoating on Skinner.

It's hilarious how Oiler fans think: "if we had a better goalie, we win that series easily. But if the Canucks had a better goalie, it wouldn't have mattered"

Silovs made some good saves, but struggled with point shots. Demko would've won the Canucks that series.

either that or i understand a goaltender can play much better than they usually do or much worse than they usually do over a short period like 7 games. Oilers won that series with the worst sv% for a series winner in the last several decades..

 

[10YearsHaveGotBehind]

Lots of people brought up the Nucks PDO last year due to it being at about 105 for the first few months of the year. That is a crazy high total for a team to have and has only been done across full seasons by Dynasty level teams. So many were skeptical that the Nucks last year could maintain. And as many predicted the Nucks PDO fell to 102.4 by the end of the year. Still a very high total, but not historically so.

 

[BlueOil]

definitely not a legitimate contender for the cup, but a team expected to at least make the playoffs and possibly win a round. if fully healthy, those odds increase, but probably only to "should win at least a round" territory.

 

[JKG33]

They're missing their best two players (Miller and Demko). Take away any teams two most important players and see what happens.

Hughes is good but he can't do it on his own. Petterson is paid like a superstar but he's one of the biggest frauds in the league

 

[PuckG]

No difference between a 3rd string rookie goalie and a vezina finalist, in your mind? Strange, considering how you're scapegoating on Skinner.

It's hilarious how Oiler fans think: "if we had a better goalie, we win that series easily. But if the Canucks had a better goalie, it wouldn't have mattered"

Silovs made some good saves, but struggled with point shots. Demko would've won the Canucks that series.

The same standards can be applied to having a healthy McDavid, Drai and Kane. Anyone can extrapolate the same thing: if the Oilers were healthy (McDavid, Drai, Kane) and the Canucks (Demko and whoever else) were healthy, it just as easily could have been an Oilers sweep.

What’s hilarious is not applying the standard both ways. It’s why we should stick with reality.

 

[Hoglander]

The same standards can be applied to having a healthy McDavid, Drai and Kane. Anyone can extrapolate the same thing: if the Oilers were healthy (McDavid, Drai, Kane) and the Canucks (Demko and whoever else) were healthy, it just as easily could have been an Oilers sweep.

What’s hilarious is not applying the standard both ways. It’s why we should stick with reality.

You're talking about something else. Playing hurt is one thing (which both clubs did), having a star player on the IR at the most important position, and then pretending it wouldn't make any difference (while complaining about the same position having a big influence on their team), is another. Who isn't applying standards here?

 

[HockeyVirus]

This is kind of a bizarre post. You don't even mention the fact that they haven't played a single game with their starting goaltender all year, despite making a post about comparing this years performance to last year, you don't mention that?

I'm not a Canucks fan. That's why I made a discussion thread

 

[Golden_Jet]

Last year PDO was a debate, when your starting goalie is out all year, not sure why PDO would be brought up this year.

 

[Jmo89]

Haven't they been missing their 1G all season along with stretches of missing two of their top 6 forwards (Miller and Bowser)?

Seems like they may have overachieved a bit last year but are doing alright currently while sitting in a divisional playoff spot.

 

[AlbOilFAN]

The Canucks were a top 10 team last year that took EDM to game 7 in round 2 and likely win that series if Demko was in net.

To make a comparison to a team like Buffalo that hasn't even made the playoffs in like a decade is asinine.

Canucks are hovering around top 10 again despite having anywhere between 1 and 3 key players out of the lineup for every game so far this season. If they can get healthy and add a good piece at the deadline which they are surely looking to do, they have a legit chance. Would I put them in the Florida or Dallas category? Probably not but they're also not a pretender.

If Oilers had Pickard in net instead of Skinner, they probably sweep them, if if Evander Kane played last game of the Stanley Oilers probably win that game as well. Did I do this right? Stop with excuses…

Back to the topic, they are wildcard team.
They do have a world class goalie that is injured, to many questions on defence and miller status as well. We all know that Hughes disappear in playoffs when it gets physical.

 

[kanucks25]

Damn y'all defensive as hell.

And do you have some sort of bat signal that makes you flock to a thread whenever the Oilers are perceived to be slighted lol?

I even said the Oilers were the better team in the series. And my original post has little to do with the Oilers and a lot more to do with the Canucks/Sabres garbage.

Relax.

 

[Rowlet]

Damn y'all defensive as hell.

And do you have some sort of bat signal that makes you flock to a thread whenever the Oilers are perceived to be slighted lol?

I even said the Oilers were the better team in the series. And my original post has little to do with the Oilers and a lot more to do with the Canucks/Sabres garbage.

Relax.

They saw "PDO" and were all notified by the hivemind

 

[Three On Zero]

Its the whole point of this thread. I've been saying that about the Avalanche too with injuries and finally gave up. It simply isnt their year.

Whats up with Miller? Quitting the team?

Last years Oilers massively overachieved and I think came down to Earth being what we though they were: 2 good players who dont help defensively, an amazing PP, and shit everywhere else. I understand telling yourself "We were one game away from the team that was one period away from winning it all!", but that is lying to yourself IMO. Vegas and Dallas have the depth to take down anyone. The Jets are coming down to Earth and I dont trust Kaprisov doing it all for the whole season, so anything really can happen, but its going to take a lot for the Canucks to go deep in the playoffs.

Miller is dealing with external related issues. Shouldn’t be a stigma around athletes putting themselves first.