So.. Edmonton has to be the favorites coming out of the west, right?

[Seachd]

More cherry picked clips. Really wish I was on my computer so I could go find every game Stone was a minus and post highlights of how he was the direct player at fault for the GA.

That's the best part about Stone... he's never been on the ice for a goal against. Or so I would take it from this thread.

 

[JoeThorntonsRooster]

Hi, yeah, I’m just wondering how you’ve been here for 8 years, and still manage to know nothing about hockey.

I’ll hang up now and listen to your answer.

I guess I need a senior member with 18 years of experience on the forum, such as yourself, to explain to me why it’s not a good idea to out-score the other team.

 

[Seachd]

Klefbom, Nurse, and Larsson have not gotten them INTO the playoffs the last two seasons. Green is a good add. Athanasiou is adding yet another element the team already has--one-dimensional offensive-blindered forward. Stanley Cup champions have five defensemen on the ice most times. Even Ovi played heavy defense in their cup year.

Yes, all those "one-dimensional, offsensive-blindered" (whatever that means) forwards like Kassian, Chiasson, Khaira, Yamamoto, Nugent-Hopkins, Cave, Ennis, Haas, Nygard, Archibald, Russell and Sheahan.

 

[Seachd]

I guess I need a senior member with 18 years of experience on the forum, such as yourself, to explain to me why it’s not a good idea to out-score the other team.

World: "Connor McDavid is the best player on Earth."
JoeThorntonsRooster from HFBoards: "No, he's not as good as Mark Stone, because Ottawa."

You don't need much "experience on the forum" to figure out what the problem is here.

 

[a mangy Meowth]

I think its because Vancouver scores more and allows less goals than Edmonton that he picked them.

lol, ouch

 

[IceNeophyte]

Yes, all those "one-dimensional, offsensive-blindered" (whatever that means) forwards like Kassian, Chiasson, Khaira, Yamamoto, Nugent-Hopkins, Cave, Ennis, Haas, Nygard, Archibald, Russell and Sheahan.

Funny you didn't put McJesus or Drai on that list, the two players I was quite clearly alluding to....

 

[zar]

I feel better about the team today than I did on Sunday.
That being said, the Blues are by far the best team in the West... and they’re getting Tarasenko back by the time the playoffs start.

... then you can throw a blanket over the other 7 teams.

Unless the Blues make it, the East team should be heavily favoured over the West team in the Cup Final.

 

[snipes]

I’d think Colorado, Vegas, and St. Louis would be favoured in a series against us. Maybe even Vancouver as well, they have a good team.

The Oilers have played quite well against the top teams in the league this year though, I definitely don’t think they’d be an easy out for any team and wouldn’t be shocked if we made it to the WCF.

St. Louis are the clear the favourites in the west, I think that view is pretty unanimous.

 

[Turin]

Because they added a bad defenseman and a very specialized reclamation winger? Their moves were decent gambles and they should make the playoffs but I don’t see how they’re close to Vegas or Colorado in a series. St. Louis would be favourites too.

 

[JoeThorntonsRooster]

World: "Connor McDavid is the best player on Earth."
JoeThorntonsRooster from HFBoards: "No, he's not as good as Mark Stone, because Ottawa."

You don't need much "experience on the forum" to figure out what the problem is here.

How is it that you’ve spent 18 years on this forum, and you’re not aware that the majority opinion here isn’t exactly infallible?

 

[Seachd]

Funny you didn't put McJesus or Drai on that list, the two players I was quite clearly alluding to....

"Athanasiou is adding yet another element the team already has--one-dimensional offensive-blindered forward."

Aside from the ignorance of calling McDavid and Draisaitl one-dimensional, what exactly is the problem with adding more offense, when most of their forwards don't provide any?

 

[IceNeophyte]

"Athanasiou is adding yet another element the team already has--one-dimensional offensive-blindered forward."

Aside from the ignorance of calling McDavid and Draisaitl one-dimensional, what exactly is the problem with adding more offense, when most of their forwards don't provide any?

And they already have that in McD and Drai. If you weren't kneejerking a single post, you would see that there is a long thread about McDrai and this was a response within that subtext.

Calling McDavid, and to a lesser degree Draisatl, one-dimensional isn't ignorant at all. It's calling a spade a spade. They wouldn't know defense unless it put them into the boards.

 

[Seachd]

How is it that you’ve spent 18 years on this forum, and you’re not aware that the majority opinion here isn’t exactly infallible?

I didn't say anything about the opinion on HF. I said "world".

How is it that everyone else is wrong, but the one member of the Mark Stone Is Better Than Connor McDavid Club is absolutely right? That has nothing to do with infallibility. It's hockey familiarity, common sense, watching games, etc.

 

[IceNeophyte]

"Athanasiou is adding yet another element the team already has--one-dimensional offensive-blindered forward."

Aside from the ignorance of calling McDavid and Draisaitl one-dimensional, what exactly is the problem with adding more offense, when most of their forwards don't provide any?

btw, the problem with EDM is that most forwards don't provide much of anything at all. Outside Chiasson and Archibald, you can have the lot of them. Warm bodies on skates. It's been said over and over that the team's problem is lack of general defense, and the riposte is invariably "yeah, but we score goals." Whoosh.

 

[217 Forever]

I’d think Colorado, Vegas, and St. Louis would be favoured in a series against us. Maybe even Vancouver as well, they have a good team.

The Oilers have played quite well against the top teams in the league this year though, I definitely don’t think they’d be an easy out for any team and wouldn’t be shocked if we made it to the WCF.

St. Louis are the clear the favourites in the west, I think that view is pretty unanimous.

According to my local sportsbook Colorado, Vegas, and StL are clear favorites in the west, then Dallas, then a big drop off to Edmonton so anyone who believes in the Oilers go run and take 10-1 right now.

 

[JoeThorntonsRooster]

I didn't say anything about the opinion on HF. I said "world".

How is it that everyone else is wrong, but the one member of the Mark Stone Is Better Than Connor McDavid Club is absolutely right? That has nothing to do with infallibility. It's hockey familiarity, common sense, watching games, etc.

First off, look up argument ad populum. It is the most common logical fallacy that is used on this forum.

Second, there is a lot more than one person who believes that Mark Stone is superior to Connor McDavid.

 

[snipes]

First off, look up argument ad populum. It is the most common logical fallacy that is used on this forum.

Second, there is a lot more than one person who believes that Mark Stone is superior to Connor McDavid.

Mark Stone is not a better hockey player than McDavid. You cannot be serious.

 

[JoeThorntonsRooster]

Mark Stone is not a better hockey player than McDavid. You cannot be serious.

The purpose of hockey is to score more goals than the other team. Mark Stone pretty clearly helps his teams out-score the opposition to a larger degree than Connor McDavid does. Why can’t Stone be better?

 

[General Disarray]

Vegas is winning the Pacific and they have the easiest path to the finals.

 

[snipes]

The purpose of hockey is to score more goals than the other team. Mark Stone pretty clearly helps his teams out-score the opposition to a larger degree than Connor McDavid does. Why can’t Stone be better?

So by extension anyone who has a better +/- than McDavid is a better player than him?

Yikes.

 

[BlueBaron]

They are about as legit to win as the Leaf and we aren't planning a parade this year. I hope they go a few rounds but they now have to get playoff seasoning. It's a process. This is not an insult, it is rare to go from out the playoffs to the Cup the next year. I'm not sure how many times that has ever been done but I don't imagine many.

 

[Seachd]

And they already have that in McD and Drai. If you weren't kneejerking a single post, you would see that there is a long thread about McDrai and this was a response within that subtext.

Calling McDavid, and to a lesser degree Draisatl, one-dimensional isn't ignorant at all. It's calling a spade a spade. They wouldn't know defense unless it put them into the boards.

It's utterly ignorant. One-dimensional offensive players are defensive liabilities. They aren't whatsoever. If you believe that, you haven't seen them play.

btw, the problem with EDM is that most forwards don't provide much of anything at all. Outside Chiasson and Archibald, you can have the lot of them. Warm bodies on skates. It's been said over and over that the team's problem is lack of general defense, and the riposte is invariably "yeah, but we score goals." Whoosh.

The team's problem is lack of defense? What year is this from? In general, the Oilers as a team have a harder time scoring goals than keeping them out. Which is why forward depth was a problem. Most of their forwards are fine, which you once again whiffed on. A lot of them are a reason why the Oilers have been much better defensively this season. The issue is that they haven't been scoring goals.

 

[Three On Zero]

Maybe 3rd or 4th best in the west , not even top team in their division

 

[Seachd]

First off, look up argument ad populum. It is the most common logical fallacy that is used on this forum.

Second, there is a lot more than one person who believes that Mark Stone is superior to Connor McDavid.

It's not a fallacy just because you say it is. Watch the games. What's the name of the fallacy that ignores the obvious evidence in order to provide a hot take just to be different?

 

[President Skroob]

Mark Stone is not a better hockey player than McDavid. You cannot be serious.

He's not, he just wanted to hijack the thread.