You are aware we don't have a first rounder thanks to Babcock's obsession, Patrick Marleau, right?
So Babcock needs to go... (Part 2)
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It's Babcock. As I've said before, Babcock seems to be a good coach for teams where the general talent difference between lines 1 and 4 isn't that high, because it plays to his "we have to keep all line time even" strategy.
Rare Jewel
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top-10 protection, I believe, on that pick.
Macallan18
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I think we are in a Pittsburgh Penguins type situation, where they switched from Mike Johnston to Mike Sullivan and saw an immediate improvement
including two cups.
Babs is not the right coach for this team, and will be gone by season's end.
Marner and Matthews have totally given up on him, and if they don't want Babs, it's a lot easier replacing him than our star players.
including two cups.
Babs is not the right coach for this team, and will be gone by season's end.
Marner and Matthews have totally given up on him, and if they don't want Babs, it's a lot easier replacing him than our star players.
stickty111
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Looks like Keefe unliked it. There were 2 likes on that tweet. One Keefe and the other by a user named Brian.
Good decision by Keefe.
Good decision by Keefe.
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1. Lack of offensive talent. We had unskilled vets playing.
2. Latching on to number 2, his system works for unskilled players like the vets, not high skilled players. Even he stunted Datsyuk's potential.
3. Babcock is not the right coach for a stacked top 6 team. His system is outdated and he hasn't made any systematic adjustments.
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Yes and no for me. 100pts seasons are not easy to do and it really comes down to the playoffs. Has Babcock ever chosen the own rentals and have they given any value? No. And one playoff the goalie just failed to show. You can dump on Gards or whoever but .896 is not playoff goaltending and that isn't on the coach. Last playoff the goalie is there but Kadri took himself out and that's on him, not Babs, so they were left playing a depleted lineup against a club that finished ahead of them in the standings who had added for the playoffs. We can micro manage Babcocks choices but they were never the favorite and they still went 7 games. There are losses based on strategy and coaching and then there are losses based on a flat goalie, an absent player, or high end players not bringing their A game when they needed to.
Willie licked the bag last year and Austin and Mitch are young stars who got outperformed by their opponents None of that was orchestrated by Babcock. I am good with him getting punted if the club goes out in the 1st round again because its a reset and maybe the next guys speaks better millennial, but if I am paying players like they are superstars it isn't on the coach for them to earn their ridiculous contracts. McDavid has been on a coaching merry go round and the constant is that he brings the big game almost every night. Time for the Leaf's "big 4" to put on their big boy pants and earn the almost McJesus money they demanded.
Yeah the club is way too soft. They can still win it all I think , but Dubas' team Ice Capades can really only play one style so the wrong opponents will punch their ticket every time.
stickty111
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Yea unliked now.
Great. Maybe the Leafs brass does follow this forum for pr purposes and reached out to him to have a talk. Timing coincides way too well with the discussion here.
stickty111
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Smart thing to do for Keefe. They probably said to him "umm Sheldon maybe not the best idea".
Surprised he did it in the first place. The rest of his activity is professional.
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I think you're 100% right on... I was listening to Leafs Lunch and 4min into the 2nd hour Craig Button made a good point. He said that Babs has this propensity to push his players to pressure the other teams all the time. The problem with said pressuring is that it leaves holes in our D-zone coverage where other teams exploit it. Button called it Mindless pressure where your doing it without any real plan...he pointed out that Justin Holl was up around the blueline chasing a Bruin when Pasternak was sitting in front of the net without anyone around him. I agree with him on that point. It seems there is no logic or plan to our D-zone coverage...just guys chasing around the puck and then missing the open guy who scores. It just seems that the big stars are realizing this system will never work for the talent we have.
AM is totally not giving a crap in his own zone. When people say he is young and learning I call BS. In his 1st year he was very, very good in his own end...so what happened? What could cause him to not care for the last 2yrs? I don't know what happened but I do know he can do it if he wants...he just doesn't care to anymore.
He lost the big players confidence and he still has the newer guys like Moore and Mickey and Kerfoot playing hard...but when you lose the most talented of the bunch...you're gonna have problems. I am not excusing AM and MM...I hate the fact they wanted to get paid before they did anything....but unless you're trading them...the coach has got to be the one who goes.
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it gets super frustrating people keep focusing on the team being "soft" (which. they are not). as if that's the reason why we haven't been doing well for months. (which. it is not).
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Keefe had other opportunities to get into a NHL coaching position elsewhere last year .
He signed for a extension because Dubas knows that this would be Babcocks final year ( if he even lasts ) one way or the other .
Keefe will be the Next Leafs coach shortly or later this year or start of next , but make no mistake about it , he will be the next coach .
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The only way that Babs stays on possibly !
Is if he wins the cup .
Anything less , he’s gone
I will stick by my prediction , if the leafs continue on this mediocre run , or they even get worse , Babs will be gone before Xmas
You heard it here
He signed for a extension because Dubas knows that this would be Babcocks final year ( if he even lasts ) one way or the other .
Keefe will be the Next Leafs coach shortly or later this year or start of next , but make no mistake about it , he will be the next coach .
**** note
The only way that Babs stays on possibly !
Is if he wins the cup .
Anything less , he’s gone
I will stick by my prediction , if the leafs continue on this mediocre run , or they even get worse , Babs will be gone before Xmas
You heard it here
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Rare Jewel
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Really?
When people bring up his Olympic gold medal or his IIHF World Championship, or even his SC win with Detroit, there's an awful lot of talk about how each of those teams was so stacked with talent, anyone could have coached them to a win.
So.... which is it?
Did you see the results in years he didn't coach? Canada clearly isn't an automatic for gold at these things. Funny thing about Babcock, he's had success at all levels with a variety of skill levels. He's won Olympics with all star teams and made a Cinderella run like we saw in Anaheim.
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Honestly, our fourth line has played way too close to our first this year. Wouldn't say our ice time is "even" or that he's rolling lines either.
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Definitely true but would make me strongly question if I want the players here anymore when guys that can barely grow facial hair dictate who their supervisor is.
They are highly paid assassins who are dogging it. Would leave me forever viewing them exactly as I view Vince Carter.
Kinda my point, they've been too close from a quality of play level
Stephen
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Well, when your team starts missing Hyman the way the Leafs have this year, it’s pretty obvious we are missing a certain ingredient that these economy sized forwards aren’t bringing. So why collect more of them?
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