Confirmed Trade: [SJS/TOR] Timothy Liljegren for 2025 SJS 3rd round pick, 2026 SJS 6th round pick, Matt Benning

[Sota Popinski]

Yeah, but he also picked Sam Dickinson instead of Zeev Buium. That one potential blunder itself might end up the biggest of his career.

You're talking about Walman and Liljegren like they're top 4 guys after their teams dumped them for next to nothing. And Dickinson was drafted less than 6 months ago and you're already acting like you know picking him was a blunder. I don't think talent evaluation is your strong suit.

 

[AcerComputer]

I liked Lilly but the guy couldn't win a board battle with a chainsaw and a machete. Exposed regularly on any zone pressure and got caved in sheltered minutes. Terrible puck handling giveaways... in tense moments he has the "yips" with the puck. And you want to promote him to top pair against top competition? Say all you want about coaches he's had, but they are surrounded by intelligent voices all day too. They saw what everyone else did. If he can't handle being "converted to a 2-way 5-6 dman" to earn a spot then he sure as heck can't handle the "#1-2D slot with #1PP time".

Hope the best for Lilly he'll finally get minutes and may prove us doubters fools.

He looked like a stud when Rielly was injured and took his spot. In order for him to thrive he would needs those minutes which gives him the puck in the ozone rather than the dzone. It would be like putting Kessel on the 4th line with 6 min a game and wonder why he isn't scoring in an energy role.

 

[cheesymc]

Sharks getting good value. This was a low cost and low risk trade for them to test out. I was hoping the Ducks would take a shot and swap out lefty Vaakanainen so we would have another righty dman even if we needed to get bigger and harder to play against.

 

[Moose Head]

Crap, there goes any value I had on that liljegren Marlies bobble head I have.

 

[67 others]

Yeah, but he also picked Sam Dickinson instead of Zeev Buium. That one potential blunder itself might end up the biggest of his career.

A lot of professional scouts picked Dickenson over Buium lol

 

[Metroid]

Based on this thread it looks like liljgren will be the most picked up W.W player in the history of fantasy hockey....

 

[Bounces R Way]

You're telling me Brad mismanaged a young player and as a result lost him for basically nothing?
<- this is my shocked face

Check back when Tanev becomes too injured and old to play in the top 4 and the Leafs need to fill that hole externally, probably about a year and change from now.

 

[TOGuy14]

Seems like a steal for SJ

Lily isn't going to any all-star games but for basically nothing assets they picked up a guy who could be a reliable #3/4 D

 

[dubplatepressure]

Seems like a steal for SJ

Lily isn't going to any all-star games but for basically nothing assets they picked up a guy who could be a reliable #3/4 D

A #3 is his absolute ceiling, and his floor is a 6/7 guy.

 

[dmcccdmn]

You're talking about Walman and Liljegren like they're top 4 guys after their teams dumped them for next to nothing. And Dickinson was drafted less than 6 months ago and you're already acting like you know picking him was a blunder. I don't think talent evaluation is your strong suit.

Walman is already the Sharks' best Dman. Apparently you don't know how bad the Sharks D is.

 

[Gilles Meloche]

Timothy Liljegren = Cody Ceci

He will hang around and play 600-700 NHL but will be remembered as “meh”.

 

[67 others]

A #3 is his absolute ceiling, and his floor is a 6/7 guy.

Currently the sharks are icing a a lineup of #4/#4
#5/#7
#8/#9

So his floor is an improvement lol

 

[Sota Popinski]

Walman is already the Sharks' best Dman. Apparently you don't know how bad the Sharks D is.

You were lumping those two in with Askarov earlier in the thread like they're part of the future nucleus of the team. Then in the same thread you're acting like the die is already cast for Dickinson as being inferior to Buium. How could you or anyone else possibly know that less than a month into the season?

It's like "hey, you never know with defensemen. Maybe these 25 year old guys can show something they haven't yet" and then in the next breath calling the 18 year old a bust.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

I assume that Matt Benning is the retention in this trade.

If Liljegren's bonus was paid in July, he is only owed the what remains of his 1M base salary this season, and 2.6M next season.

They likely viewed Benning as someone who would eventually be played off the roster, and he is signed for two more seasons at 1.25M per. The Leafs can bury him and get back all but 100k of his cap hit. The Leafs don't care about real dollars, only cap - so this is almost like only have to retain 100k on Liljegren with the benefit of not burning a retention spot.

I am not saying Benning won't play for them, but I doubt they wanted him. He is the proxy for retention because San Jose is concerned with real dollars.

That's why the return was a bit higher than some people excepted. They got back what projects to be one of the highest picks in the third round. So this isn't a normal TDL late 3rd type return, it's much closer to getting a contenders 2nd.

 

[Chief Leaf]

Crap, there goes any value I had on that liljegren Marlies bobble head I have.

But we are up to 11 pages on this Lily deal.

Value seems to be on the rise

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Timothy Liljegren = Cody Ceci

He will hang around and play 600-700 NHL but will be remembered as “meh”.

The way some of you guys talk about Ceci on Twitter, he could only hope to be remembered as "meh".

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

Yes. A couple years ago some Leaf fans thought maybe he could become a top pairing defensemen. Probably still not most, but there was hope. Things change over 2-3 years. Hard to believe I know.

So my answer was not wrong. Thanks for your honesty.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

So my answer was not wrong. Thanks for your honesty.

Yes it was. Move along lmao

 

[Warden of the North]

Seems like a steal for SJ

Lily isn't going to any all-star games but for basically nothing assets they picked up a guy who could be a reliable #3/4 D

He couldn't be a reliable bottom pair guy in Toronto. He's 25 closing in on 200 games played and soft as an overipe ripe banana.

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

Yes it was. Move along lmao

Not according to the post I quoted...

Unless you did not mean what you wrote.

 

[PeE eL DuBoiS]

Trading both Sandin and Lilj reflects badly on Toronto's ability to draft and develop.

 

[BayStBullies]

Based on this thread it looks like liljgren will be the most picked up W.W player in the history of fantasy hockey....

Last week all of these people would say he is awful.

 

[sxvnert]

Trading both Sandin and Lilj reflects badly on Toronto's ability to draft and develop.

Lili 17th overall + Sandon 29th overall. Sometimes it's hit or miss with mid to low picks.

 

[ThorNton Apologist]

I assume that Matt Benning is the retention in this trade.

If Liljegren's bonus was paid in July, he is only owed the what remains of his 1M base salary this season, and 2.6M next season.

They likely viewed Benning as someone who would eventually be played off the roster, and he is signed for two more seasons at 1.25M per. The Leafs can bury him and get back all but 100k of his cap hit. The Leafs don't care about real dollars, only cap - so this is almost like only have to retain 100k on Liljegren with the benefit of not burning a retention spot.

I am not saying Benning won't play for them, but I doubt they wanted him. He is the proxy for retention because San Jose is concerned with real dollars.

That's why the return was a bit higher than some people excepted. They got back what projects to be one of the highest picks in the third round. So this isn't a normal TDL late 3rd type return, it's much closer to getting a contenders 2nd.

This is not correct. Toronto gets the higher 3rd round pick between EDM and COL so it’s hardly “close” to being a contenders 2nd.

SJ doesn’t care about real dollars. They have one of the richest owners. They paid Simek and Lindblom over 4M to be buried in the AHL.

 

[BlueSeal]

I think Toronto wins this one in the long run.