Confirmed Trade: [SJS/BUF] 2024 1st (11OA) for 2024 1st (14OA) and 2024 2nd (42OA)

[DG93]

Still dont like this trade. I am fine with Dickinson but the options at 14 were also excellent and this trade didnt warrant losing such a high pick

So you would have preferred Helenius/MBN/Jiricek + Artamonov/Kleber/Hutson over Dickinson? That's a pretty wild take imo lol

 

[TheWayToRefJose]

How much does Celebrini count as part of day 1 considering once they won the lottery, everyone knew they were taking him?

Did we not still add Celebrini and Dickinson on day 1?

Is there any team that added two or more better prospects?

 

[Sota Popinski]

Did we not still add Celebrini and Dickinson on day 1?

Is there any team that added two or more better prospects?

We don't say San Jose won day 1 because of Celebrini otherwise everyone who gets a consensus #1 overall wins day 1. They didn't make a difficult decision and they had their choice of every single player in the draft

 

[TheWayToRefJose]

We don't say San Jose won day 1 because of Celebrini otherwise everyone who gets a consensus #1 overall wins day 1. They didn't make a difficult decision and they had their choice of every single player in the draft

2024 NHL Draft winners and losers: Scott Wheeler's complete first-round analysis

Here is the comprehensive pick-by-pick breakdown of the first-round selections, which each team in one of four tiers.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Sota Popinski]

2024 NHL Draft winners and losers: Scott Wheeler's complete first-round analysis

Here is the comprehensive pick-by-pick breakdown of the first-round selections, which each team in one of four tiers.

www.nytimes.com

Did you even read it?

"It’s hard to give a team too much credit for taking the clear-cut No. 1 overall pick in a class"

He then says the Dickinson pick makes them a winner

 

[TheWayToRefJose]

Did you even read it?

"It’s hard to give a team too much credit for taking the clear-cut No. 1 overall pick in a class"

He then says the Dickinson pick makes them a winner

When did I ever say just Celebrini made them a winner?

Getting a sure fire 1C and a blue chip 1D potential in the same first round is winning. No other team added as much, therefore, they won the 1st.

 

[OrrNumber4]

There was little chance of Buffalo taking a defenseman...but maybe Philadelphia. The moment the Sharks drafted Dickinson they were on the phones... highly conceivable that both defensemen are gone by 14.

 

[Sota Popinski]

When did I ever say just Celebrini made them a winner?

Getting a sure fire 1C and a blue chip 1D potential in the same first round is winning. No other team added as much, therefore, they won the 1st.

You replied with an article that has the Habs and Wild listed above them. So if you wanna use that article as an authority, I would say Montreal or Minnesota won day 1

 

[SjMilhouse]

There was little chance of Buffalo taking a defenseman...but maybe Philadelphia. The moment the Sharks drafted Dickinson they were on the phones... highly conceivable that both defensemen are gone by 14.

Philly said they passed on Buium because they already have undersized D in the pipeline. Wouldn't be surprised for them to have taken Dickenson there if Buffalo passed and Minnesota clearly wanted Buium. Unless Philly passed on Dickenson, Sharks wouldnt have gotten either at 14. Good trade IMO when we got 53 for free from Detroit

 

[hohosaregood]

There was little chance of Buffalo taking a defenseman...but maybe Philadelphia. The moment the Sharks drafted Dickinson they were on the phones... highly conceivable that both defensemen are gone by 14.

With Briere's comment on why they didn't draft Zeev, I think this trade worked out exactly how Grier wanted it to. Briere saying that Zeev matched too much of what they already had makes me think they would have grabbed Dickinson if he was on the board.

So if we were to speculate that Buffalo takes Helenius at 11, Philly takes Dickinson at 12, and Minnesota takes Buium at 13, Sharks would have barely missed on that top tier of defensive prospects. A lot of us were probably okay reaching for Solberg at 14 or going with one of the higher tier forwards left but this was a great move to get a potential top pairing defenseman.

Looking at the board now, the alternative if they kept the 14th would've been something like MBN and Kleber/Hutson at 42. That's good but it doesn't fill the huge defensive hole we had as well as Dickinson does even if we go further and say the Sharks went with a defenseman like Badinka at 33 instead of Chernyshov.

 

[Le Rosbeef]

With Briere's comment on why they didn't draft Zeev, I think this trade worked out exactly how Grier wanted it to. Briere saying that Zeev matched too much of what they already had makes me think they would have grabbed Dickinson if he was on the board.

So if we were to speculate that Buffalo takes Helenius at 11, Philly takes Dickinson at 12, and Minnesota takes Buium at 13, Sharks would have barely missed on that top tier of defensive prospects. A lot of us were probably okay reaching for Solberg at 14 or going with one of the higher tier forwards left but this was a great move to get a potential top pairing defenseman.

Looking at the board now, the alternative if they kept the 14th would've been something like MBN and Kleber/Hutson at 42. That's good but it doesn't fill the huge defensive hole we had as well as Dickinson does even if we go further and say the Sharks went with a defenseman like Badinka at 33 instead of Chernyshov.

Great post - think this analysis is spot on.