Sittler’s 10-point night: an unbreakable record

[MeHateHe]

Is this the record that can’t be broken? Combine the limited number of 10 or more goals in a game events with power play specialists and with teams fully utilizing 3 lines and often rolling four lines, will Sittler’s single-game mark stand another 46 years?

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[MadLuke]

With the current hockey culture it would be hard (Therrien did not played Crosby after his 6th points early in the third in 2006, did not reach 19 minutes that night), but Alfredsson scored 7 in 2008.

Yes now people would not put their big powerplay in a 13-3 blow out, but if both teams scores a lot.... could happen.

Most consecutive game played for a goaltender (502), the Gretzky record of the type most art ross-hart, etc... seem safers than a single game event.

And a Patrick Roy with removing goaltender type of coach with a different culture about trying to score in a blow out could happen, like a Dan Campbell (football has an excuse of impossible to really practice and not a lot of minutes to do it in real game) at any time.

So is scoring getting really high in the future.

 

[Wee Baby Seamus]

It's not inconceivable to me that you could combine a very high-scoring game (such that someone is on 6-7 points with 10 minutes left in the third) with the trend towards pulling the goalie earlier and earlier and continuing to pull even when the deficit is 2+ goals into a player hitting 10 points with 3 or 4 being empty net.

 

[Yozhik v tumane]

I think that if Sam Gagner could tally 8 in 2011-12, someone with a career high of more than 50 points in a season should be able to have a 10 point night in this higher scoring environment.

 

[Michael Farkas]

This doesn't come to mind as an unbreakable record for me...

Difficult? Sure, very.

 

[MadLuke]

Sam Gagner could tally 8 in 2011-12,

Rarely before, something was so well demonstrated.

If Sam Gagner can make 80% of it, it is breakable.

 

[Moose Head]

Gretzky and Lemieux didn’t do it during the highest scoring era in history, so it’s extremely difficult but not impossible. The most they got was 8. I’d bet I’ll never see it happen again. The weirdest thing is, Sittler did it against a really good team. It wasn’t against one of those crappy 70’s expansion team. Sure it was a career AHLer in net, but that was a strong defensive team.

 

[Moose Head]

The 4 most unbreakable records imo:

Glen Halls 502 consecutive games (damned near impossible)
Gretzky’s career assist mark
Gretzky’s career point mark
Gretzky’s one season assist mark (second place is 30 behind. Best non Gretzky mark is 50 behind)

 

[MadLuke]

Has for the never again, I feel many of us had that feeling about a 150 pts seasons not so long ago or a 70 goal season.

Scoring went from 2.65 goal a night in 2013, to 3.15 in 2023, only 10 years difference.

A similar jump from 2023 to 2033 and we are back to 3.75 goal a night hockey like in 88-89 or 92-93... and who knows what can happen...

And there is absolutely no reason that 2033 hockey scoring would not be that high, scoring is almost a decision the league can take by tweaking the rules, goaltending, what are penalties, going back to full 2 minutes PP after a goal, last 5 minutes of the third period being 4v4 hockey...

Lebron James scored 42 pts -17 rebound last night, has an over 40 years old big really tall player with the most minutes played in the league history, that type of longevity with people spending 1 million a year on their body, steam cell treatments, CRISPR gene editing, the next Gordie Howe in longevity could become common.

 

[MeHateHe]

FTR, I meant to add a question mark at the end of the thread title, because I wasn't trying to be declarative, and now I feel like Lionel Hutz.

I wish the site allowed thread creators to amend - even just one time per thread - the thread title.

 

[MadLuke]

Everyone took your thread to be what you say in the message and not the title:
Is this the record that can’t be broken?

Do not worry, we always assume hyperbole in any title on the Internet

 

[Primary Assist]

The NHL won't release the game tape, so it's possible 10 points isn't even really accurate (and therefore can't be broken)

Maybe if an EBUG plays a team besides the Maple Leafs it could be broken

 

[TheStatican]

I wish the site allowed thread creators to amend - even just one time per thread - the thread title.

Huh? You can edit the thread title, you just have to click edit on your first post. The line for the thread title will be above the post in a separate box.

 

[bobholly39]

Amazing record, and I love that it's not one owned by a Gretzky or Lemieux.

Unbreakable? Not so much. Super unlikely maybe, but anyone can have a fluke great game. If someone scored 11 points in a game this season, it wouldn't even have to be a McDavid or Mackinnon or Drai...someone completely unexpected could do it.

 

[MadLuke]

Looking at the list, Jagr scoring 7 in the 2003 dpe, 4 of them against Luongo. Look quite good.

That box score:

Florida Panthers - Washington Capitals - Jan 11, 2003 | NHL.com

NHL Gamecenter - Florida Panthers vs. Washington Capitals, Jan 11, 2003 - summary, stats, boxscore, play by play, recap and more.

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All 7 points in the first 2 periods, could have "easily" scored 3-4 others if that was more the mentality.

He played only 14 minutes, not sure if he got injured and missed most of the third or the coach sat him, to not humiliate the adversary type of mentality.

 

[Sadekuuro]

Any record that can be set in a single game is a lot less insurmountable than one that requires decades of elite performance. The odds are very long though, and it's kind of amazing that nobody has ever had 9.

 

[MeHateHe]

All 7 points in the first 2 periods, could have "easily" scored 3-4 others if that was more the mentality.

He played only 14 minutes, not sure if he got injured and missed most of the third or the coach sat him, to not humiliate the adversary type of mentality.

This is a good argument for why it might never be broken. Is that kind of killer instinct a thing of the past? Players in 1976 didn't think about load management, about taking breaks once the game was in hand. (Clearly.) I'm just marvelling at all the tumblers that had to fall in place for that game to come about. There's a reason the record has lasted 46 years.

 

[Breakers]

Selanne rookie record for goals is unbreakable to me.

 

[MadLuke]

This is a good argument for why it might never be broken.

If that mentality do not change it make it harder (you need both teams to score 12-14 goals, making it magnitude less likely)

But I am not sure if Crosby-Jagr sitting the third period coaching decision would apply to a Sam Gagner type of player doing it, maybe a non-star if anything will get more powerplay time than usual, with the crowd and team being into it

Maybe that why it is Gagner that has that modern mark, he was also "lucky" that he had 8 points on 8 team goals, normally the oilers score some goals where he is not involved, the game get out of hands and now scoring 2 pts with 5 minutes left is less likely to happen.

 

[Matsun]

Last season 6 times a player scored 6 points in a game. In the entire 2010s it only happened 5 times. I think a huge scoring night could be possible and maybe even tying Sittler, but beating it would be really hard.