CanucksSayEh
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One of the best trades in franchise history.
This team goes as JT goes. Always has, don't expect that to change.
This team goes as JT goes. Always has, don't expect that to change.
The first was conditional, so clearly there was thought put into the deal. Although, maybe you need me to explain how a conditional pick works.
Your imaginary roulette scenario, and the made up odds accompanying it, is cringe. Your odds are silly, and "last 5 dollars" represents what, exactly? Their last 1st round pick ever? Lol.
Your analogy could technically be applied to every trade ever made. If good trades are just lucky, then are bad trades simply unlucky? No skill or thought process involved? Or (I already know the answer to this) does this only apply to Benning? It's like I said, you've created a no-win scenario, based on your hate of the guy.
Your take is awful, and heavily influenced by your hate of the guy. Time to get over your Benning PTSD.
In hindsight of course JT Miller has been worth every penny of that trade. It was an absolute homerun.
However I still believe the philosophy behind that trade was stupid at the time. Firstly, JT Miller had upside but no one predicted his explosion of development over the next few years. Secondly, the Canucks were a lottery team two seasons prior, then around 24th place the offseason we moved the 1st for Miller. It had one year protection or something but the chances we bottomed out the next 2 years was making a crazy gamble. This wasn't trading a typical 'late 1st' type deal - this 1st could have been a lottery ball.
None of this is to say I don't love JT Miller. I'm glad history and Benning's idiocy payed off if only 1 time but I hate it when people criticize others that didn't like the trade at the time. There was good reason it was a dumb move.
Possibly, but you speak as if you know how the rest of the season would have played out. You don't know though, you can only guess. That's fantasy land talk, unless you can tell the future. Teams go through ups and downs over the coarse of a season.If covid didn’t stop the NHL season the canucks miss the playoffs that season. The team was trending down, then we got a bunch of injuries.
As stated the trade turned out very well for us, and Tampa. That doesn’t mean it was a trade the team should be making at the time, and the team got 100% lucky
Let's be honest if the season didn't end with covid, the nucks would have had to forfeit pick in 2021 which meant no oel trade. Blessing in disguise.If covid didn’t stop the NHL season the canucks miss the playoffs that season. The team was trending down, then we got a bunch of injuries.
As stated the trade turned out very well for us, and Tampa. That doesn’t mean it was a trade the team should be making at the time, and the team got 100% lucky
We ended the 2020 season 9th in the west… this isn’t fantasy…Possibly, but you speak as if you know how the rest of the season would have played out. You don't know though, you can only guess. That's fantasy land talk, unless you can tell the future. Teams go through ups and downs over the coarse of a season.
Even so, there is a reason the condition was applied to the 1st - which proves that the poster I was talking to, was wrong about management putting no thought into the deal, and completely debunks their ridiculous imagined roulette scenario.
And if we are going to play "what if", well what if that season did play out differently, like you imagine it would have? It would have moved the pick to the next year instead, there would have been no covid Canadian division season, the offseason would have been looked at differently resulting in different moves... and so on.
This "%100 lucky nonsense, is exactly that: nonsense. I prefer logic and reality, while it seems you prefer alternate realities and roulette daydreams.
he is a super underrated player around the league.Only nine players have scored more points than Miller since the 2019-2020 season, when he joined the Canucks.
To provide the full context, he's 19th in P/GP during that time (min 200 GP).
Pretty impressive how consistent he's been with his offensive production.
The plan for the U.S. at the Four Nations tournament is to play Miller with the Tkachuk brothers.Players with 100+ goals and 500+ hits over the past three seasons:
Alex Ovechkin
Brady Tkachuk
JT Miller
Well firstly, the point of my initial response was that it was ridiculous to say management put zero thought into the trade, when they protected the 1st...We ended the 2020 season 9th in the west… this isn’t fantasy…
Well firstly, the point of my initial response was that it was ridiculous to say management put zero thought into the trade, when they protected the 1st...
As for the standings, let's not stretch things out of context. The Canucks were actually tied for 8th in the west in points, and not everybody had played the same amount of games. For instance, the 6th place team had only 2 more points, while Van had 2 games in hand. Things weren't equal at the time of the pause, hence the play-in round.
Even so, dropping a couple spots would hardly have been the end of the world. The pick was conditional, and if we are going to pretend that things would have happened differently, and that the Canucks would have fallen down the standings while everyone else kept winning, then it's simply unfair to assume that the following covid offseason and season, would have turned out exactly as it originally had.
You also claim "%100 lucky", but then use injuries as a factor in the Canucks slumping just before the pause. Seems like the opposite of lucky, to me.
I don't think many people hate the team. The fans on the other handLol people are going to slowly realize why we were one of the most hated teams in the league.
Just curious where did you hear that from? I haven't been keeping up much with what's happening with the tournament.The plan for the U.S. at the Four Nations tournament is to play Miller with the Tkachuk brothers.
The plan for the U.S. at the Four Nations tournament is to play Miller with the Tkachuk brothers.
On one hand we have what MAY have happened IF things played out differently, all the while exaggerating the standings and thinking everything positive was %100 luck. On the other, we have what actually happened in real life: an awesome trade... and you're still trying to paint it in a bad light. I'm not the one making excuses here...So excuses....
The trade turned out well for us. There is no denying that Miller has been an absolute beast for u us. That doesn't mean that the thought process was correct which was the bottom line.
There is no doubt at times teams need to start making trades like the one with Miller... their is just no doubt it was also a bad thought process. I never claimed no thought... bad thought. Being a good GM is about knowing where in your teams cycle you are. Its also about good pro scouting, and While Miller was good pro scouting... there is also no doubt Benning was terrible at both those things.
So excuses....
The trade turned out well for us. There is no denying that Miller has been an absolute beast for u us. That doesn't mean that the thought process was correct which was the bottom line.
There is no doubt at times teams need to start making trades like the one with Miller... their is just no doubt it was also a bad thought process. I never claimed no thought... bad thought. Being a good GM is about knowing where in your teams cycle you are. Its also about good pro scouting, and While Miller was good pro scouting... there is also no doubt Benning was terrible at both those things.
So excuses....
The trade turned out well for us. There is no denying that Miller has been an absolute beast for u us. That doesn't mean that the thought process was correct which was the bottom line.
There is no doubt at times teams need to start making trades like the one with Miller... their is just no doubt it was also a bad thought process. I never claimed no thought... bad thought. Being a good GM is about knowing where in your teams cycle you are. Its also about good pro scouting, and While Miller was good pro scouting... there is also no doubt Benning was terrible at both those things.
Hated the trade at the time, hated him for years after, thought he was a douche.
The trade of course turned out to be a (very) rare Benning W. Still not my favorite player but I like him a lot now. Glad to have him.
Careful, or someone might mistake you for part of the Benning PTSD crew.He's a really good player. Too bad he ended up on a shit team for his prime years.
Only nine players have scored more points than Miller since the 2019-2020 season, when he joined the Canucks.
To provide the full context, he's 19th in P/GP during that time (min 200 GP).
Pretty impressive how consistent he's been with his offensive production.
On one hand we have what MAY have happened IF things played out differently, all the while exaggerating the standings and thinking everything positive was %100 luck. On the other, we have what actually happened in real life: an awesome trade... and you're still trying to paint it in a bad light. I'm not the one making excuses here...