Player Discussion Simon Nemec

[Zbias]

 

[Iggys Dome]

W trade.

 

[tmurfin]

Sounds like the kid is hungry to prove himself, love it

 

[Zbias]

WHEN he was draft he was seen as a 2-way defenseman.
That part of why he when so high.
NOW many NJ fans see him as a 1-way defenseman.
I am curious if we can rail him back to the 2-way d-man of his potenical.

The way Conroy see it at the starting line is:
Bahl - Nemec (they played as a pair before in NJ)
Parekh - Whitecloud.

With Parekh on PP1 & Nemec playing both on PP & PK.

 

[Fig]

WHEN he was draft he was seen as a 2-way defenseman.
That part of why he when so high.
NOW many NJ fans see him as a 1-way defenseman.
I am curious if we can rail him back to the 2-way d-man of his potenical.

The way Conroy see it at the starting line is:
Bahl - Nemec (they played as a pair before in NJ)
Parekh - Whitecloud.

With Parekh on PP1 & Nemec playing both on PP & PK.

I'm leaning more like we're thinking about training him to be like a Weegar or Andersson than a Brodie or Gio. He can be all around where the defense is passable and he's significantly more offense oriented vs someone who basically is a defensive liability and has extra offense to outrun his flaws (Karlsson, Bouchard etc.) Which IMO Parekh might be more like.

However, I don't think Parekh is dumb and will earnestly attempt to make his defense passable as well. If they can accomplish that, I think that 2018 Flames blueprint theory I've said before has some merit.

I honestly think that when they say any situation, they're imagining training Nemec into what Weegar was at the top of his game.

 

[Yepthatsme]

Calgary has about a week to sign this man before a pretty terrifying possibility reveals itself. A 9.5M x 5 years offer sheet for Nemec while he’s waiting to be signed by a team he has no loyalty screws Calgary regardless of the outcome. Matching the offer sheet would walk him directly to his first eligible UFA year while likely overpaying him along the way. Choosing not to match it nets us only a 1st, 2nd, and a 3rd as compensation, meaning we could potentially have just given up a 1st round pick for free. Neither outcome is pretty.

I love the trade, but Conroy officially has a week to sign this kid before an outcome happens that could be straight up fireable. If I’m a young playoff team, I already have my clerical staff drawing up that paperwork.

 

[Darth Vladar]

Calgary has about a week to sign this man before a pretty terrifying possibility reveals itself. A 9.5M x 5 years offer sheet for Nemec while he’s waiting to be signed by a team he has no loyalty screws Calgary regardless of the outcome. Matching the offer sheet would walk him directly to his first eligible UFA year while likely overpaying him along the way. Choosing not to match it nets us only a 1st, 2nd, and a 3rd as compensation, meaning we could potentially have just given up a 1st round pick for free. Neither outcome is pretty.

I love the trade, but Conroy officially has a week to sign this kid before an outcome happens that could be straight up fireable.

That’s an interesting point. But the initial quotes from Nemec himself all seem to point towards relishing in the type of opportunity the Flames in particular can provide. I trust Conny to get it done. 3x7 bridge deal to see what we have, and still a RFA at the end of it.

 

[RasmusAndersson]

I wonder if we consider running 2 dmen on PP1. Gridin, Frost, Corey/Hubes, Zayne, and Nemec. Could be interesting given how dynamic both he and Zayne are.

 

[Bounces R Way]

It's been often said that a dman needs to play about 250-300 games in the league before you really know what they are. That he's already played 155 at such a young age is a plus but it does mean this next season is absolutely critical for him. The development and coaching staff have their work cut out for them and so does Nemec. I do think he's got a great mind for the game but needs to learn how to use it. Getting faster and stronger as well needs to be a priority the rest of the summer.

I would be hesitant to go big money big term with him at this juncture. We've already been burned by giving out deals to guys we don't know where they fit or how they'll perform with Calgary. Something similar to the Hanifin and Lindholm RFA deals(adjusted for cap inflation) they got when we acquired them would be the sweet spot for him. Treliving screwed a bunch of stuff up but those two contracts were excellent business.

 

[Zirakzigil]

WHEN he was draft he was seen as a 2-way defenseman.
That part of why he when so high.
NOW many NJ fans see him as a 1-way defenseman.
I am curious if we can rail him back to the 2-way d-man of his potenical.

The way Conroy see it at the starting line is:
Bahl - Nemec (they played as a pair before in NJ)
Parekh - Whitecloud.

With Parekh on PP1 & Nemec playing both on PP & PK.

You can teach defense, you cant teach offense. With the right environment and coaching there is zero reason why he cant develop into a decent player in his own zone.

 

[Lunatik]

It's been often said that a dman needs to play about 250-300 games in the league before you really know what they are. That he's already played 155 at such a young age is a plus but it does mean this next season is absolutely critical for him. The development and coaching staff have their work cut out for them and so does Nemec. I do think he's got a great mind for the game but needs to learn how to use it. Getting faster and stronger as well needs to be a priority the rest of the summer.

I would be hesitant to go big money big term with him at this juncture. We've already been burned by giving out deals to guys we don't know where they fit or how they'll perform with Calgary. Something similar to the Hanifin and Lindholm RFA deals(adjusted for cap inflation) they got when we acquired them would be the sweet spot for him. Treliving screwed a bunch of stuff up but those two contracts were excellent business.

I thin it's always good to remember that certain things, especially for defensemen are learned with experience and often are improved with experience. I know some guys never get it, but some just keep learning. Especially when it comes to reads and positioning.

 

[Lunatik]

I wonder if we consider running 2 dmen on PP1. Gridin, Frost, Corey/Hubes, Zayne, and Nemec. Could be interesting given how dynamic both he and Zayne are.

I mean, it's not like we have any forwards that can score.

I wouldn't be mad at our PP if we played Parekh and Nemec on the top unit with Gridin, Coronato and whomever is playing better between Strome and Frost. Then a 2nd unit of the other of Strome/Frost, Huberdeau, Coleman, Farabee and Brzustewicz

 

[Anglesmith]

There's been a lot of chatter I've seen about people pointing out that he's Slovak.

Hopefully our coaches can work to make him a bit Fastervak.

 

[Zbias]

What i find sus at this very hour is nobody outbid us.
I mean it a lot but it beatable too.
The deal is quite clear with where our limit were set!
We can do deal for #35 overall not #30.

 

[Lunatik]

What i find sus at this very hour is nobody outbid us.
I mean it a lot but it beatable too.
The deal is quite clear with where our limit were set!
We can do deal for #35 overall not #30.

wouldn't that make literally every trade ever "sus"

 

[Zbias]

wouldn't that make literally every trade ever "sus"

hahahahahaha
damn!
Holyshit you're right!

 

[Fig]

Calgary has about a week to sign this man before a pretty terrifying possibility reveals itself. A 9.5M x 5 years offer sheet for Nemec while he’s waiting to be signed by a team he has no loyalty screws Calgary regardless of the outcome. Matching the offer sheet would walk him directly to his first eligible UFA year while likely overpaying him along the way. Choosing not to match it nets us only a 1st, 2nd, and a 3rd as compensation, meaning we could potentially have just given up a 1st round pick for free. Neither outcome is pretty.

I love the trade, but Conroy officially has a week to sign this kid before an outcome happens that could be straight up fireable. If I’m a young playoff team, I already have my clerical staff drawing up that paperwork.

Why is it terrifying? I don't see it as a worrisome outcome.

https://puckpedia.com/offer-sheet-tracker

For the 9.5 AAV offer:

Canes
Hawks
Habs
Preds
Isles
Sens
Flyers
Pens
Kraken
Mammoth

Half those teams are probably projecting picks around 15 OA, only a few above 20 OA. We traded 2027 and 2028 picks projected in the 25+ range. Several are wrapped up in circumstances where they have no need for RD for their roster.

Main outcomes if a deal cannot be agreed upon:
- Someone sends an OS, we match: Crappy contract is bad outcome
- Someone sends an OS, we don't match: We have less picks overall and lose out on picking in the second round this year, but higher picks in 2027 and based on the names above probably noticeably earlier than when our picks were supposed to be received.
- No one sends an offer sheet. Flames stick to their guns and use OS as reason to make him sign reasonable contract because there's no interest from league to give him a stupid contract.

Theoretically, the Canes could do it without major issue and not worry about a <20OA pick. I guess that would suck. But I don't see why they'd want Nemec specifically. Many other teams, they could worry they mess up and allow us to upgrade our picks.

I'm not worried. I mentioned I think he should attempt to emulate Weegar, all the way down to maybe signing a 6 x 6.5 contract which IMO would be fair for both sides.

 

[BenedictGomez]

I trust Conny to get it done. 3x7 bridge deal to see what we have

If Nemec's camp was willing to go $7M, I presume he might still be a Devil. I could be wrong, as the D is crowded in New Jersey and someone needed to go, plus Seamus Casey needs a shot at the NHL too, and then you have Silayev coming soon as well.

But the long-held rumor is he wanted $9M AAV from New Jersey, which the Devils were not willing to do for him. Thus, he's now a Flame.

 

[Ivo]

If Nemec's camp was willing to go $7M, I presume he might still be a Devil. I could be wrong, as the D is crowded in New Jersey and someone needed to go, plus Seamus Casey needs a shot at the NHL too, and then you have Silayev coming soon as well.

But the long-held rumor is he wanted $9M AAV from New Jersey, which the Devils were not willing to do for him. Thus, he's now a Flame.

His ask from a another team might be different than from the Devils. He was clearly looking for a change of scenery and believed he didn’t get a fair chance in NJ.

 

[Fig]

If Nemec's camp was willing to go $7M, I presume he might still be a Devil. I could be wrong, as the D is crowded in New Jersey and someone needed to go, plus Seamus Casey needs a shot at the NHL too, and then you have Silayev coming soon as well.

But the long-held rumor is he wanted $9M AAV from New Jersey, which the Devils were not willing to do for him. Thus, he's now a Flame.

IIRC, when we got Elias Lindholm and Noah Hanifin from the Canes, both guys had asks in the 6s due to being disgruntled. Both ended up signing <5 contracts with us.

I was saying that we get Nemec over, have a Slovak welcoming committee, send him to the Stampede, have him chat with Bahl and others, have the coach and management explain his potential new role here etc. I think he'd agree to something lower than 9.

 

[BenedictGomez]

His ask from a another team might be different than from the Devils. He was clearly looking for a change of scenery and believed he didn’t get a fair chance in NJ.

Not sure he was looking for a change of scenery, but you may very well be correct. I would very much argue with the, "didn't get a fair chance in NJ" part though. I think it's just flat wrong.

Let's look at it objectively. Nemec is still only 22 years old and has already played 155 NHL games. He only played 112 AHL games.

The Devils unquestionably would have liked him to season more in the AHL, but he vocally and publicly complained, he was basically a P.I.T.A. in that regard and because he was a #2, I think it's fair to say he forced his way onto the New Jersey roster earlier than the team likely wanted. I think NJ did the best they could in an uncomfortable situation, and management/coaching was likely sick of him. Some things got public that probably should have stayed in the room (by both sides).

 

[Darth Vladar]

If Nemec's camp was willing to go $7M, I presume he might still be a Devil. I could be wrong, as the D is crowded in New Jersey and someone needed to go, plus Seamus Casey needs a shot at the NHL too, and then you have Silayev coming soon as well.

But the long-held rumor is he wanted $9M AAV from New Jersey, which the Devils were not willing to do for him. Thus, he's now a Flame.

Ok, so how long was he rumoured to want $9M for? What was NJ rumoured as having counter-offered?

In any case, I still wouldn’t want to walk him into UFA.

 

[BenedictGomez]

Ok, so how long was he rumoured to want $9M for? What was NJ rumoured as having counter-offered?

For a while, but keep in mind I dont think that means that's what they expect. You always ask for more than you think you'll get.

Could $8M get it done? I bet it would.
Could $7M get it done? Quite possibly, but if $7M is the case I think it's the Devils wanted to get rid of him.
What if Calgary goes really long term in years, would he accept even lower like $6.5M? I doubt it.

 

[herashak]

4x6.75 or something, I’d rather not pay for potential and he should still be an RFA right?

 

[Ivo]

Not sure he was looking for a change of scenery, but you may very well be correct. I would very much argue with the, "didn't get a fair chance in NJ" part though. I think it's just flat wrong.

Let's look at it objectively. Nemec is still only 22 years old and has already played 155 NHL games. He only played 112 AHL games.

The Devils unquestionably would have liked him to season more in the AHL, but he vocally and publicly complained, he was basically a P.I.T.A. in that regard and because he was a #2, I think it's fair to say he forced his way onto the New Jersey roster earlier than the team likely wanted. I think NJ did the best they could in an uncomfortable situation, and management/coaching was likely sick of him. Some things got public that probably should have stayed in the room (by both sides).

I didn’t say that he didn’t get a fair chance, I said HE BELIEVES he didn’t get a fair chance.