Sign Marner and Tavares before playoffs?

[fahad203]

Nobody signs anything until the playoffs are done.
Playoff success should determine who gets paid how much. I don't care if John or Mitch scores a hatrick in regular season against Buffalo

I need to know they can score few points in playoff games

 

[Maple Leaf]

Nobody signs anything until the playoffs are done.
Playoff success should determine who gets paid how much. I don't care if John or Mitch scores a hatrick in regular season against Buffalo

I need to know they can score few points in playoff games

Last 8 seasons weren't enough we need to see if these superstars can get past the first round or if they are chicken

 

[Gabriel426]

It is not just making it past the first round. It is how close they are to winning the Cup.

50% of the teams who made the playoffs managed to make it past the first round EVERY YEAR.
Making it to the SECOND round is not some type of accomplishment, it should be the norm for a team with THREE and now FOUR players making over 10.5mil a season.

 

[LeafEgo]

You would have to sell it pretty hard. People don't really like it when their boss comes in and tries to pay them less than they earned in their job because they may have the potential to get a second job.

Say Toronto sells nothing at all, just simply offers a bit less than a competitor, knowing that Marner would stand to lose millions each year in endorsements going with the competitor. All else equal, how exactly do you see that playing out?

 

[no2ninja]

Keep Mitch hungry.... at least we may get decent playoff effort from him.

(then if we need to break the bank for him, we have a good reason to)

 

[Dekes For Days]

Say Toronto sells nothing at all, just simply offers a bit less than a competitor, knowing that Marner would stand to lose millions each year in endorsements going with the competitor. All else equal, how exactly do you see that playing out?

Leaving Toronto is in no way a guarantee of losing "millions each year in endorsements", and more importantly, as I pointed out in the back half of the initial sentence that you cut off, leaving Toronto also comes with financial benefits that the player doesn't need to work extra jobs for. All else equal, from a purely financial perspective, a player would likely prefer to play somewhere where he is paid more, has lower taxes on that pay, and doesn't have to be as dependent on extra work for the same after tax income.

 

[ToneDog]

I also want to see what Ranta gets before I talk extension with Marner. If Mitch gets close to or more than Ranta again, the Leafs are a complete joke in my books.

 

[William Johnson]

Some of the recent proclamations about the Hart Trophy in relation to assessing player quality made me curious so I checked the voting tables since 2016-2017, firstly to help inform my understanding of how Marner is viewed by on-the-record, professional journalists and, secondly, to partially inform how this assessment of his quality and status might relate to his upcoming contract negotiations.

On the Leafs, Matthews has received 2421 points in Hart voting, with the most coming in his winning year, obviously. He has votes in 6 out of 8 years. Marner has received 16 points -- he has had votes in 2 out of 8 years, a collection of 4th, 5th and 6th place votes.

Here are the wingers who have more votes than Marner since 2016-2017:

Kucherov
Panarin
Pasternak
Tkachuk
Rantanen
Draisatl
Gaudreau
Kaprizov
Marchand
Stone
Huberdeau
P Kane
Hall
Wheeler
Ovechkin

Here is the list of wingers from this list who have higher AAVs than Marner, all of whom signed their higher number contracts after Mitch, who as we know signed for 6 years at 10.9 million:

Draisatl: 14 8 years max contract
Pasternak: 11.2 8 years max contract
Panarin: 11.6, 7 years, max contract

Interesting.

Postscript: I'm still curious about people's thoughts about whether the overall value of a contract is a factor in negotiations and considerations...I'm still confused as to why this isn't more of a talking point, not just here but in the media.

Thanks in advance for any replies.

 

[sxvnert]

Media: "but JT has children and he wants to stay in toronto!"

 

[LeafEgo]

Leaving Toronto is in no way a guarantee of losing "millions each year in endorsements", and more importantly, as I pointed out in the back half of the initial sentence that you cut off, leaving Toronto also comes with financial benefits that the player doesn't need to work extra jobs for. All else equal, from a purely financial perspective, a player would likely prefer to play somewhere where he is paid more, has lower taxes on that pay, and doesn't have to be as dependent on extra work for the same after tax income.

We both know what you've done here. 0/10

Next time let's have a discussion, it could be interesting and productive. Even with your shtick, for pressure testing ideas.