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Sidney Crosby Top 5 player of all time

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Cyborg Yzerberg said:
1. Gretzky
2. Orr
3. Howe
4. Lemieux
5. Beliveau
6. Hasek
7. Bourque
8. Harvey
9. Roy
10. Richard
11. Hull
12. Crosby

So no. He's not the 5th best player of all time. He's top 20 for sure though.
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Patrick Roy over Sidney Crosby

thats a yikes for me, dawg.

Crosby is top-5 easily youre out to lunch
 
supsens said:
Lol at running 100 years ago compaired to the new roid world.
Two tenths of a second seperate 80's ben johnson from todays record. Blink your eyes, thats how much faster a guy today ran 328 feet then a guy in the 80's. Meaning if you blinked you missed the winner. Your theory on super evolution is whacky
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Especially since we have already witnessed players like Ray Bourque who's career spanned several decades and he was one of the best dman in the league until the day he retired. I thought this nonsense talk was debunked years ago.
 
WingsFan95 said:
Ovechkin I think with a record 8 goal scoring leads is individual more prolific than Crosby ever was. You simply can't ignore the arguably greatest goal scorer of all time and he has a Cup now while his playoff averages are pretty high despite only once making it past the 2nd round. I also don't put much weight on Crosby's 2nd Conn Smythe which seems to be a big notch for his fans.
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Not sure where to start here.

Why isn't OV getting more Hart and Lindsay recognition than Crosby has over his career if his goalscoring is more important than Crosby's overall offensive production. Crosby has objectively been better than OV in more season than not, and when he wasn't, it wasn't by much vs. OV being clearly inferior in three seasons. Crosby is the clearly superior offensive and all around player, with the clear advantage in the playoffs in individual performance and team success.
 
Hischier and Hughes said:
Patrick Roy over Sidney Crosby

thats a yikes for me, dawg.

Crosby is top-5 easily youre out to lunch
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By the way, it's always hard to compare goalies and players but one is largely considered to be the greatest at his position then there are arguments to put Roy before Crosby.
 
WingsFan95 said:
Bobby Hull played 5 seasons after expansion plus the WHA. And he was still prolific so a good indicator of modern era standards. Beliveau played just 4 seasons after and past his prime years although numbers were still good. I think his lack of individual hardware is something, 6 first teams of course is big but a loaded team. Same reason why the Rocket is huge but you wonder if he played on the Rangers if he has same numbers.
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So we should just throw away Hull's numbers before expansion? You aren't making sense here.
 
There is nothing easy for the 5th best player of all time regardless of who you pick imo, saying that X is easily the one almost disqualify it and enter the category of not knowing enough to know you do not know.

Eras, different position I mean really Crosby (or Hull, Beliveau, etc...) are easily better than Roy/Hasek/Plante/Sawchuck or Harvey/Potvin/Bourque ? How can you say easily better than Shore ?

Arguably no one outside of the top 4 has an obvious better career 14 season in than Crosby (and I think this is not too controversial), but player arguably still ahead of him have great longevity like Beliveau/Roy/Harvey/Bourque, so he would need to age a la Sakic to keep pace to the very unclear 5th best of all time.
 
Claude Pepe Lemieux said:
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By the way, it's always hard to compare goalies and players but one is largely considered to be the greatest at his position then there are arguments to put Roy before Crosby.
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Nobody who watched Brodeur Hasek and Roy has Roy as the greatest. Nobody who actually has a clue anyway

Crosby is very easily over Roy, there is no argument to be made
 
Hischier and Hughes said:
Nobody who watched Brodeur Hasek and Roy has Roy as the greatest. Nobody who actually has a clue anyway

Crosby is very easily over Roy, there is no argument to be made
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LOL, I watched all those three and Roy is the greatest and I'm not the only one to think that but okay... :biglaugh:

Crosby is hardly over Roy and there is no argument to be made.
 
BestCoaster said:
Would have to disagree, the stats, the trophy's, the highlight reels would show Hasek was the greatest. Roy was great, but Hasek was the greatest!
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How about no? Some stats and trophies would show that Roy was the greatest. Hasek was great but Roy was the greatest!
 
BestCoaster said:
If you add up the trophy's and medals... Hasek's side weighs more. As another poster mentioned, every time these two goalies faced off in elimination games, Hasek came out on top. #GOAT
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Belfour always came out on top against Roy and Hasek, he must certainly be the greatest right? :rolleyes:

You want to add up medals, so I'll add up Stanley Cups, oh yeah, 4 Cups > 1 Cup (as a starter) and one gold medal. Roy is the GOAT.
 
Claude Pepe Lemieux said:
Belfour always came out on top against Roy and Hasek, he must certainly be the greatest right? :rolleyes:

You want to add medals, then I'll add Stanley Cups, oh yeah, 4 Cups > 1 Cup (as a starter) and one gold medal. Roy is the GOAT.
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Not everyone would agree with this metric... Personally, I'd rather have 1 Cup, and 1 Olympic gold medal, than have 4 cups and 0 gold medals, like in the case of Roy...

4 Cups, 3 Vezinas, 3 Conn Smythes vs 2 Cups, 6 Vezinas, 2 Harts, 2 Pearsons, 1 Olympic gold medal.

and yes, I know only one of Hasek's cups was as the starter... he was also very close to a Conn Smythe in 1999.

The two goalies are very close... but Hasek edges out Roy as the greatest!
 
BestCoaster said:
Not everyone would agree with this metric... Personally, I'd rather have 1 Cup, and 1 Olympic gold medal, than have 4 cups and 0 gold medals, like in the case of Roy...

4 Cups, 3 Vezinas, 3 Conn Smythes vs 2 Cups, 6 Vezinas, 2 Harts, 2 Pearsons, 1 Olympic gold medal.

and yes, I know only one of Hasek's cups was as the starter... he was also very close to a Conn Smythe in 1999.

The two goalies are very close... but Hasek edges out Roy as the greatest!
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Just ask NHL players what they would want to win between the Stanley Cup or a Gold Medal and I'm pretty sure most of them will tell you the Stanley Cup then yeah most people would agree with this.

You're right though, the two goalies are very close... But Roy edges out Hasek as the greatest!
 
Claude Pepe Lemieux said:
Just ask NHL players what they would want to win between the Stanley Cup or a Gold Medal and I'm pretty sure most of them will tell you the Stanley Cup then yeah most people would agree with this.

You're right though, the two goalies are very close... But Roy edges out Hasek as the greatest!
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I mean saying if I already had a cup, I'd rather have an Olympic gold, than another cup.
 
Crosby is a much better story than most of the other great NHL legends. Any time Crosby had a chance to write himself into the hockey annals, he took it. I believe there is still more to come. He is a more compelling product for marketers than any other player who came before in my opinion. Hockey's global than it ever was in the 80s & 90s so it's natural to have a larger audience, but I can count like 10 times where Crosby had it all the spotlight on him and came through.
 
BestCoaster said:
I mean saying if I already had a cup, I'd rather have an Olympic gold, than another cup.
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I'd rather have 4-6 Cups than just 1 Cup and 1 Olympic gold medal, the legacies of the all-time great players are based on Cups and Ovie is a perfect example of this.

Mario Lemieux won an Olympic gold and Gretzky didn't but you barely hear about his gold medal each time you compare these two.
 
Cyborg Yzerberg said:
1. Gretzky
2. Orr
3. Howe
4. Lemieux
5. Beliveau
6. Hasek
7. Bourque
8. Harvey
9. Roy
10. Richard
11. Hull
12. Crosby

So no. He's not the 5th best player of all time. He's top 20 for sure though.
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Orr.....Gretzky....Lemieux....Howe....Crosby....Richard....Bourque....Bobby Hull....Messier....Bruce Gamble
 
Let's put it this way.

He is very comparable to Gordie Howe at age 31/thru their first 14 seasons, moreso than any other player in NHL history besides the other members of the Big 4.

His career accomplishments rival any other of the usual # 5 player candidates which are usually Beliveau or Hull.

His peak, be it one season or multiple seasons, which is unfortunately not as concrete as others due to in juries, is on the same tier as the best of the non Big Four, and arguments can be made that it is within shouting distance of Howe's.

His prime, specifically the length of it, and/or the length of time he is reasonably at, or near the top of the league, is only bettered by Howe and Wayne.

His playoff resume, at worst, is befitting of his status as the clear best per game producer of his era. The same can be said of Howe, Mario and Orr. At best, it can be viewed as an advantage over someone like Hull.

Stating that he is pacing for #5 should not be an unreasonable claim.
 
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