Sidney Crosby hasn't won an Art Ross trophy after his age 26 season. Neither has McDavid. Will McDavid win more still?

[LemonSauceD]

He’ll get 3 more Art Rosses but he won’t win a cup. At least not with Edmonton.

 

[Turin]

He most likely will. Crosby only didn’t win one in 2015 because of injury and he was extremely close in 2017 again, I think his ppg was like .1 below McDavid that year.

 

[Regal]

Crosby's last Art Ross was at age 26 (his 9th season); McDavid's most recent was at age 25 (his 8th season).

They're only the same age if you're using the weirdo Hockey-Reference age cut-off.

McDavid played 43 games at 25 and 39 at 26 in that season. I don’t see why it’s more correct to say one or the other.

 

[TheLegend27]

It depends how motivated McDavid is to go all out in the regular season awards along with how his competition(Kuch, Mack) will age. Mackinnon's style in particular worries me because his "I will run through you" style is taxing on the body, and I'm not sure he has enough Hockey IQ to be in contention once his speed declines. I believe next season is the last time Mack challenges for the Ross but then again he takes conditioning super seriously. I also don't believe Chicago can put enough talent around Bedard for the next 4 years in order for him to challenge McDavid.

 

[daver]

McDavid played 43 games at 25 and 39 at 26 in that season. I don’t see why it’s more correct to say one or the other.

It doesn't matter much in terms of the OP but it is better to say Crosby won in his 9th season while McDavid won in his 8th season.

 

[GoldenKnight]

That penalty (and hence his suspension) was one of pure frustration for McDavid.

Can't go around doing that in today's league.

 

[Toby91ca]

McDavid certainly put an end to Crosby ever thinking about winning a scoring race again, but let’s not get carried away. Crosby quickly fell to mortals like Benn and Tavares the season after winning his last, and then got absolutely annihilated by Kane (while finishing behind Benn again). McDavid put the nail in the coffin and then Crosby was never even close again. His highest finishes since are a distant fifth and a pair of #10 finishes. It was over for him, regardless of who came down the pipeline.

Right....part of the point was....what will happen to McDavid now in the next 5 years? At the same point in their careers, there should have been expectations that Crosby would compete for more scoring titles and he did for a couple years.....there is expectation McDavid will as well (including this year).....but there is no guarantee it doesn't turn out the same for him.

 

[Mulletman]

The suspention probably took away any shot that McDavid had of winning and unfortunately MacKinnon will most likely win his first Art Ross this season. But I guess it's better for McDavid's legacy that MacKinnon wins one instead of Draisaitl or Kucherov winning another one.

 

[daver]

But I guess it's better for McDavid's legacy that MacKinnon wins one instead of Draisaitl or Kucherov winning another one.

Not really, being beat by three different players is worse than being beat by two. But he already lost to MacKinnon in a scoring race so it's a bit of a moot point.

But at this point, all Ross contenders should be more worried about winning the Cup than winning a Ross. A Conn Smythe would do wonders for all them from a legacy standpoint than a Ross would. They all have their Harts/Arts.

 

[x Tame Impala]

McDavid certainly put an end to Crosby ever thinking about winning a scoring race again, but let’s not get carried away. Crosby quickly fell to mortals like Benn and Tavares the season after winning his last, and then got absolutely annihilated by Kane (while finishing behind Benn again). McDavid put the nail in the coffin and then Crosby was never even close again. His highest finishes since are a distant fifth and a pair of #10 finishes. It was over for him, regardless of who came down the pipeline.

Still on your soap box, huh? In 2014/15 Crosby finished 3 points back with 5 less games played than Benn. He won the 2013/14 Ross by 17 points. In 2012/13 He played TWELVE less games than MSL and finished 4 points behind. He likely wins in 2011/12 if not hurt. He likely wins in 2010/11 if not hurt. In 2016/17 he was 11 points back from McDavid in 7 less games as a 29 year old and won the Richard.

You just don't like this point, but Crosby genuinely could have 3-4 more Ross trophies. Which doesn't mean anything other than to say he has been one of the best players in the world for most of the 2010's.

 

[Video Nasty]

Still on your soap box, huh? In 2014/15 Crosby finished 3 points back with 5 less games played than Benn. He won the 2013/14 Ross by 17 points. In 2012/13 He played TWELVE less games than MSL and finished 4 points behind. He likely wins in 2011/12 if not hurt. He likely wins in 2010/11 if not hurt. In 2016/17 he was 11 points back from McDavid in 7 less games as a 29 year old and won the Richard.

You just don't like this point, but Crosby genuinely could have 3-4 more Ross trophies. Which doesn't mean anything other than to say he has been one of the best players in the world for most of the 2010's.

Let’s break down your points.

1. He lost to Jaime Benn. He then followed it up by finishing Jaime Benn again and getting torn apart by Kane. He lost to Jaime Benn

2. His 2013-2014 season is an overinflated win. 4 of the 5 players behind him in PPG missed anywhere from 22-45 games. Does he win regardless? Yes. But it becomes a more ordinary Art Ross win, more in line with someone who would soon struggle to match Benn and Tavares, who are not Kucherov and MacKinnon.

3. Crosby certainly wins in 2012-2013 if he played even a few more games. I’ve always said this, though I’ll never bow down and hand out a phantom trophy as if he actually won it. Uh oh, the narrative of me being unreasonable is already falling apart.

4. There’s nothing likely about 2011-2012. He missed way too many games. It’s fair for me to doubt it because he never showed me he was anything close to Gretzky or Lemieux, or even McDavid in 2020-2021 and 2022-2023 for that matter. He was not immune to getting beat.

5. Concession #2. I’ve always said it was likely he wins in 2010-2011. It can also be true that a 25 game heater that ended two games before the concussion doesn’t mean that he was scoring 60+ and 130+.

6. McDavid told him to get lost in 2017, and he did, never coming close in a scoring race ever again. That is fact.

TLDR: I’ve always said he has a surefire two more Art Rosses had 2010-2011 and 2012-2013 played out normally. It is not wrong of me to point to other areas of his career where he’s lacking to step back and say hold up, we can’t just automatically grant him an additional 4-5 Art Rosses. If he won in 2008-2009 and didn’t embarrass himself in 2014-2015 and 2015-2016, I’d be right there beating the drum about he was a slam dunk for sweeping the awards from 2010-2011 through 2012-2013 and putting up the fantasy totals people clamoring about 130+.

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

Let’s break down your points.

1. He lost to Jaime Benn. He then followed it up by finishing Jaime Benn again and getting torn apart by Kane. He lost to Jaime Benn

2. His 2013-2014 season is an overinflated win. 4 of the 5 players behind him in PPG missed anywhere from 22-45 games. Does he win regardless? Yes. But it becomes a more ordinary Art Ross win, more in line with someone who would soon struggle to match Benn and Tavares, who are not Kucherov and MacKinnon.

3. Crosby certainly wins in 2012-2013 if he played even a few more games. I’ve always said this, though I’ll never bow down and hand out a phantom trophy as if he actually won it. Uh oh, the narrative of me being unreasonable is already falling apart.

4. There’s nothing likely about 2011-2012. He missed way too many games. It’s fair for me to doubt it because he never showed me he was anything close to Gretzky or Lemieux, or even McDavid in 2020-2021 and 2022-2023 for that matter. He was not immune to getting beat.

5. Concession #2. I’ve always said it was likely he wins in 2010-2011. It can also be true that a 25 game heater that ended two games before the concussion doesn’t mean that he was scoring 60+ and 130+.

6. McDavid told him to get lost in 2017, and he did, never coming close in a scoring race ever again. That is fact.

TLDR: I’ve always said he has a surefire two more Art Rosses had 2010-2011 and 2012-2013 played out normally. It is not wrong of me to point to other areas of his career where he’s lacking to step back and say hold up, we can’t just automatically grant him an additional 4-5 Art Rosses. If he won in 2008-2009 and didn’t embarrass himself in 2014-2015 and 2015-2016, I’d be right there beating the drum about he was a slam dunk for sweeping the awards from 2010-2011 through 2012-2013 and putting up the fantasy totals people clamoring about 130+.

Well looks like both mack n kuch have told him to get lost starting at age 27 not 29. I guess crosby got so lost he just found b2b cups n smythes

 

[Video Nasty]

Well looks like both mack n kuch have told him to get lost starting at age 27 not 29. I guess crosby got so lost he just found b2b cups n smythes

Poor Sid. If he even ever was, he holds the record for shortest reign at #5 all-time.

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

Poor Sid. If he even ever was, he holds the record for shortest reign at #5 all-time.

Need cups....

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

Looks like Drai will tell mcdavid to get lost again. Like the 2017 playoffs. 19-20 season and now 24-25....

 

[Video Nasty]

Looks like Drai will tell mcdavid to get lost again. Like the 2017 playoffs. 19-20 season and now 24-25....

 

[TheSuperElite]

he will!

 

[Mulletman]

Not really, being beat by three different players is worse than being beat by two. But he already lost to MacKinnon in a scoring race so it's a bit of a moot point.

But at this point, all Ross contenders should be more worried about winning the Cup than winning a Ross. A Conn Smythe would do wonders for all them from a legacy standpoint than a Ross would. They all have their Harts/Arts.

MacKinnon still doesn't have an Art Ross, he's going to go hard for that Art Ross as it's extremely important for his legacy!

Most think that winning the cup is the most important thing for McDavid right now. But a second Conn Smythe for McDavid after breaking Gretzky's single season playoff points record and losing in the finals again would be epic! McDavid would be legandary after that!

And winning Art Rosses will always be more important to McDavid than any of the other players as he's on pace to go down as one of the greatest of all time. He needs to separate himself from the rest and get closer to Gretzky and Lemieux and he will do that by winning more Art Rosses! MacKinnon, Kucherov and Draisaitl are more looking to get into the top 100 of all time than cement themselves as one of the greatest of all time...

 

[Greatzsky 99]

McDavid at age 26 (last season) and age 27 (this season) has been much less impressive than in seasons past, especially when healthy.

Let’s see how he does at age 28.

but did break all time record for assists in playoff, only player in history with back to back 4pt games in SCF, thats pretty good for not having the most impressive season. I personally think he is like Djokovic Federer James Crosby type athlete, that will go on with 90 procent capacity untill late 30s, but only time will tell.

 

[bobholly39]

Still on your soap box, huh? In 2014/15 Crosby finished 3 points back with 5 less games played than Benn. He won the 2013/14 Ross by 17 points. In 2012/13 He played TWELVE less games than MSL and finished 4 points behind. He likely wins in 2011/12 if not hurt. He likely wins in 2010/11 if not hurt. In 2016/17 he was 11 points back from McDavid in 7 less games as a 29 year old and won the Richard.

You just don't like this point, but Crosby genuinely could have 3-4 more Ross trophies. Which doesn't mean anything other than to say he has been one of the best players in the world for most of the 2010's.

With no major injuries, here is how many Rosses Crosby would have:

2007 & 2014 - nothing changes, that's 2.
2011 - 99% chance he get its, that's 3.
2013 - 99% chance he gets it, that's 4.
2012 - 75% chance he gets it. Why 75%? It's not about disrespecting Malkin's season (absolutely amazing), but it's about recognizing that Crosby was simply the clear better player and point producer the 2 years prior & 2 years after when he played - so it goes to reason if he plays in 2012, he also produces more. Also - if both centers are healthy, Crosby likely eats up some of Malkin's minutes/roles (Crosby was usually #1C), and that eats into Malkin's output. So - 75% chance he has another Ross.
2008 - 50% chance he gets a Ross. I think Ovechkin was winning the Hart for sure, but for Ross it would have been a 2 horse race between the 2, so 50/50.

So - I figure Crosby ends up with 4 Ross minimum, and 5 is the most likely number, with 6 being a possibility.

I don't like counting 2015, because wiht only 5 games missed, I don't consider that a major injury. He probably wins the Ross if he missed 0 games, but that's his own fault for not winning it with only 5 games missed.