Sidney Crosby can break the record for the most consecutive seasons OVER a PPG (2023 update: 18 consecutive PPG seasons)

[george14]

He did it

 

[Weztex]

Not to sound like a hater, but I have a hard time praising a "# of seasons with X" record when that record includes seasons with games played of:

22 games out of 82
41 games out of 82
53 games out of 82
41 games out of 70

To be fair, I feel the same way about Marleau's shameless "hang em up already" seasons to get to Howe's games played record. Yeah it'll technically be a record but its a hollow one IMO

The record book should have an asterix(*) for this one, recognizing only seasons of 50 games or more, barring shortened seasons.

I would have a hard time downplaying Crosby's ''record'' when Lemieux's streak had the following seasons.

26 games out of 80
22 games out of 82
43 games out of 82
24 games out of 82

 

[Professor What]

I would have a hard time downplaying Crosby's ''record'' when Lemieux's streak had the following seasons.

26 games out of 80
22 games out of 82
43 games out of 82
24 games out of 82

While I do kind of have a problem with seasons with so many missed game counting toward the total, in Crosby's defense, he did at least play in half of the games in the season three out of four time brought up, while Lemieux did so in only one out of four. There is something of a nice benchmark feel to reaching the 50% of games mark.

 

[scott clam]

I would have a hard time downplaying Crosby's ''record'' when Lemieux's streak had the following seasons.

26 games out of 80
22 games out of 82
43 games out of 82
24 games out of 82

I mean doesn't Wayne have 19 consecutive seasons of a PpG or more? And doesn't he only have one season where he missed more than 20 games?

 

[seventieslord]

I mean doesn't Wayne have 19 consecutive seasons of a PpG or more? And doesn't he only have one season where he missed more than 20 games?

Yes, but 1994-95 was not OVER a point per game...

silly record, I know.

 

[Habsfan18]

Yes, but 1994-95 was not OVER a point per game...

silly record, I know.

There’s no doubt it’s a cherry picked stat regarding Crosby. Still, technically it’s correct.

But yeah, pretty dumb when you consider Gretzky was literally 1 point away from being OVER in 1994.

 

[Weztex]

I mean doesn't Wayne have 19 consecutive seasons of a PpG or more? And doesn't he only have one season where he missed more than 20 games?

Yeah he had. But since the silly record is over PPG, my point was : Why would Crosby need an asterisk for missed games when he beat someone who missed even more games?

Anyway. That's just a fun tidbit.

 

[daver]

It actually shows some evidence for Crosby having a longevity of elite prime that is only bettered by Howe and Wayne:

16 seasons of Top 10 in points (12 incl. this year) and/or PPG (14 including this year).

 

[MadLuke]

It actually shows some evidence for Crosby having a longevity of elite prime that is only bettered by Howe and Wayne:

16 seasons of Top 10 in points (12 incl. this year) and/or PPG (14 including this year).

Most top 10 points finish (if he does it this year):

G. Howe*	21
W. Gretzky*	16
S. Crosby	12
J. Beliveau*	12
B. Hull*	11
J. Jagr	11
A. Delvecchio*	11
M. Richard*	11
J. Sakic*	10
M. Lemieux*	10
P. Esposito*	10

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Most top 10 ppg (using hockey reference cut-off for games played), I do not think he is in the top 10 this season:

G. Howe*	20
W. Gretzky*	16
S. Crosby	13
J. Beliveau*	13
B. Hull*	12
M. Lemieux*	12
M. Richard*	12
E. Malkin	10
S. Mikita*	10
J. Sakic*	9
J. Jagr	9

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

He would enter that Beliveau/Hull/Jagr/Richard group of forward with offensive prime length only bested by howe/Gretzky does seem to be true, will see if he is able to put 1-2 Top 10 level season to cleanly separated himself for them (that can be fuzzy with Hull WHL has he was still a top 10 scorer when he did leave the NHL at 33).

For someone with injury during is Top 10 certain peak, he did end up with an impressive amount of actual top 10.

Yeah he had. But since the silly record is over PPG, my point was : Why would Crosby need an asterisk for missed games when he beat someone who missed even more games?

Anyway. That's just a fun tidbit.

I think in that argument both players Lemieux and Crosby would have that asterix, but yes it is pure trivia.

 

[IceNeophyte]

He did it

Nope. He's AT 1 PPG. But he will do it.

 

[MadLuke]

Nope. He's AT 1 PPG. But he will do it.

I think it is locked now He has 56 points with a maximum of 55 games to play (Crosby missed a game this year and it is a 56 games season)

 

[IceNeophyte]

I think it is locked now He has 56 points with a maximum of 55 games to play (Crosby missed a game this year and it is a 56 games season)

Color me wrong, I wasn't aware that he had missed a game.

 

[CupInSIX]

Sid is just riding Rust's coattails as his career winds down.

 

[daver]

Most top 10 points finish (if he does it this year):

G. Howe*	21
W. Gretzky*	16
S. Crosby	12
J. Beliveau*	12
C. Denneny*	12
B. Hull* J. Jagr	11
A. Delvecchio*	11
M. Richard*	11
B. Cook*	11
J. Sakic*	10
M. Lemieux*	10
P. Esposito*	10

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Most top 10 ppg (using hockey reference cut-off for games played), I do not think he is in the top 10 this season:

G. Howe*	20
W. Gretzky*	16
S. Crosby	13
J. Beliveau*	13
B. Hull*	12
M. Lemieux*	12
M. Richard*	12
C. Denneny*	12
E. Malkin	10
S. Mikita*	10
J. Sakic*	9
J. Jagr	9

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

He would enter that Beliveau/Hull/Jagr/Richard group of forward with offensive prime length only bested by howe/Gretzky does seem to be true, will see if he is able to put 1-2 Top 10 level season to cleanly separated himself for them (that can be fuzzy with Hull WHL has he was still a top 10 scorer when he did leave the NHL at 33).

For someone with injury during is Top 10 certain peak, he did end up with an impressive amount of actual top 10.

A Top 10 finish in the current era is the equivalent of a Top 5 finish in the O6 era. That gives Crosby an edge over Hull, Richard and Beliveau.

 

[MXD]

A Top 10 finish in the current era is the equivalent of a Top 5 finish in the O6 era. That gives Crosby an edge over Hull, Richard and Beliveau.

If you say it, it must be true.

And no, I don't have time for counter-arguments.

 

[MadLuke]

A Top 10 finish in the current era is the equivalent of a Top 5 finish in the O6 era. That gives Crosby an edge over Hull, Richard and Beliveau.

Was it you that did calculat some ratio ? I was wondering what it looked back and the calculus used (repeat, distance from top 10 to 1 I am not sure what it was).

I am not sure what it look like, but I imagine that it is at least in a tie-breaker category, i.e. even if it is much much smaller than that say top 9 or top 9.5 would still but 12 top 10 finish in a league with 90 first liner to be above 12 top ten finish in a league with 18 of them.

 

[daver]

If you say it, it must be true.

And no, I don't have time for counter-arguments.

What a life of luxury you lead.

 

[daver]

Was it you that did calculat some ratio ? I was wondering what it looked back and the calculus used (repeat, distance from top 10 to 1 I am not sure what it was).

I am not sure what it look like, but I imagine that it is at least in a tie-breaker category, i.e. even if it is much much smaller than that say top 9 or top 9.5 would still but 12 top 10 finish in a league with 90 first liner to be above 12 top ten finish in a league with 18 of them.

From 1947 to 1967

The 3rd place finish in scoring was, on average, 14% behind the leading scorer

The 5th place finish in scoring was, on average, 21% behind the leading scorer

From 2000 to 2020

The 3rd place finish in scoring was, on average, 11% behind the leading scorer

The 5th place finish in scoring was, on average, 15% behind the leading scorer

The 10th place finish in scoring was, on average, 21% behind the leading scorer

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

doesn’t that separation just correspond to more opportunities for millennial players to score points due to roster size and more teams?

 

[daver]

Further numbers to back up this argument:

In Hull's 8 best seasons, he was, on average, 9% behind the leader in points and 4% behind in PPG

In Beliveau's 8 best seasons, he was on average, 7% behind the leader in points and 2% behind in PPG

In Crosby's 8 best seasons, he was on average 4% behind the leader in points and 8% ahead in PPG

 

[daver]

doesn’t that separation just correspond to more opportunities for millennial players to score points due to roster size and more teams?

It means that finishing in the Top 5 of a 600 player league puts you in the 99th percentile of your peers.

Finishing in the Top 5 in a 120 player league puts you in the 96th percentile of your peers.

It should come a no surprise that Top 5 and Top 10 scoring finishes are closer to the leader in a 30 team league.

 

[MadLuke]

It should come a no surprise that Top 5 and Top 10 scoring finishes are closer to the leader in a 30 team league.

I feel like you could be saying similar things here.

 

[daver]

I feel like you could be saying similar things here.

Not sure what you mean.

 

[bobholly39]

Top 10 scoring finishes, and AST finishes can't be compared "raw" across eras. I'm surprised this still needs to be justified on this forum, should be pretty self-explanatory.

 

[seventieslord]

Most top 10 points finish (if he does it this year):

G. Howe*	21
W. Gretzky*	16
S. Crosby	12
J. Beliveau*	12
C. Denneny*	12
B. Hull* J. Jagr	11
A. Delvecchio*	11
M. Richard*	11
B. Cook*	11
J. Sakic*	10
M. Lemieux*	10
P. Esposito*	10

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Most top 10 ppg (using hockey reference cut-off for games played), I do not think he is in the top 10 this season:

G. Howe*	20
W. Gretzky*	16
S. Crosby	13
J. Beliveau*	13
B. Hull*	12
M. Lemieux*	12
M. Richard*	12
C. Denneny*	12
E. Malkin	10
S. Mikita*	10
J. Sakic*	9
J. Jagr	9

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

He would enter that Beliveau/Hull/Jagr/Richard group of forward with offensive prime length only bested by howe/Gretzky does seem to be true, will see if he is able to put 1-2 Top 10 level season to cleanly separated himself for them (that can be fuzzy with Hull WHL has he was still a top 10 scorer when he did leave the NHL at 33).

For someone with injury during is Top 10 certain peak, he did end up with an impressive amount of actual top 10.






I think in that argument both players Lemieux and Crosby would have that asterix, but yes it is pure trivia.

Where are you getting 12 for Denneny? HR has him with this:

17-18 NHL 46 (2nd)

1918-19 NHL 24 (4th)

1920-21 NHL 41 (2nd)

1921-22 NHL 40 (2nd)

1922-23 NHL 33 (2nd)

1923-24 NHL 24 (1st)

1924-25 NHL 41 (3rd)

1925-26 NHL 36 (2nd)

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

and 7 for Cook...

1926-27 NHL 37 (1st)

1927-28 NHL 24 (10th)

1928-29 NHL 23 (7th)

1929-30 NHL 59 (4th)

1930-31 NHL 42 (4th)

1931-32 NHL 47 (5th)

1932-33 NHL 50 (1st)

[TBODY] [/TBODY]