dj4aces
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On the second point, Liberty holds a 7% investment in the Avs, so unless they sell that share, they can't invest in an Atlanta franchise.
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On the second point, Liberty holds a 7% investment in the Avs, so unless they sell that share, they can't invest in an Atlanta franchise.
Yes you can, Bell owned Leafs but still had a share of Montreal Canadians
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dj4aces
An Intricate Piece of Infinity
I thought league rules prohibited such a thing, though I could have misinterpreted.
Well Atlanta Braves Holdings was spun off from Liberty. Its a separate publicly traded company. So in my hypothetical it would be Atlanta Braves Holdings would be the one investing in the NHL team. Of course this is just stuff I'm throwing out there.
ITs funny that so many times lately when I see headlines of "proposed" deals its usually just some writer throwing out a scenario and posting it online without any inside info. Like there were a few Vlad Jr to the Red Sox "proposals" on Sporting News. Even though the Jays probably never talked to the Red Sox. That's basically what I'm doing here.
dj4aces
An Intricate Piece of Infinity
I getcha. At least you're not posting it on an otherwise reputable site and putting your weight and reputation as a writer behind the "proposal", as it were, and all to generate clicks and ad views/subscription revenue for it. For those writers, it's almost like Eklund without the cover of anonymity.
But in all seriousness, I think it'd be kinda cool to see the Braves invest in the Atlanta Whatevers, when that franchise is announced. Maybe it'd show a little unity in the city for hockey, and maybe a slight nod in Tom Glavine's direction for having been drafted by both the Braves (second round) and the LA Kings (fourth round) in 1984. Of course, there's really no indication that such an investment is coming or ever will, but I think it'd be cool to see teams unify around each other with a vested interest in seeing them succeed, no matter which sport it might be.
In absence of real news we're generally just throwing stuff against the wall. I have no idea what's taking the NHL so long other than waiting for the new CBA with the players to get done.
dj4aces
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I recall hearing something last year (and I don't remember who said it) that expansion would come up only after the new CBA is announced. If the CBA is ironed out by the start of the SCF as Bettman hopes, I imagine we'll hear something soon thereafter. But that's just speculation because, after all, we're all just throwing crap at a wall and hoping something sticks!
GKJ
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You won’t hear anything no matter what unless pen is put to paper on arena deals.
So we're in a contest of who has the stickiest crap!
My understanding is that Krause's arena is ready for groundbreaking if the NHL grants him a team.
Along the lines of throwing crap against the wall I posted this in the Alex Meruelo thread but I have had this idea for a while. What about letting expansion teams draft a year or 2 before they start play and build out their farm systems. MLB did this with the last 2 rounds of expansion and 3 of the 4 teams got competitive quickly.
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dj4aces
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I think that's a good idea. Especially since a lot of those prospects will either be playing in junior leagues, Europe, or the NCAA. The drafted players also have time to develop with no real pressure to make the jump to pro leagues, particularly since there wouldn't be a pro (be it AHL, ECHL, or NHL) team for them to join
Only potential issues I can think of are, where would Atlanta and Houston pick in a scenario where they get a couple extra drafts to fill the cupboards with talent prior to their inaugural season? When does the team become eligible for the draft lottery? Their first draft, or prior to their inaugural season?
In MLB the teams got the last 2 picks. Florida/Colorado started 1 year before their first season while Tampa/Arizona started 2 years early. Having them pick later meant they weren't likely going to get guys who would by major league ready right away.
So if you have them pick 2 years early they would probably have 3-4 guys ready to play at the NHL level.
AlwaysSunnyInTampa
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Houston and Atlanta are slam dunks that make too much sense. Beyond that it gets really interesting really quickly because if the NHL doesn't consider Quebec City to be a viable option then your options are all Western Conference with someone being pushed East. Then that leaves what? Phoenix and San Diego?
Correct me if I'm wrong but it looks like San Diego is gonna have an arena ready to go in just a few years with their Midway Rising project. Phoenix not so much
Correct me if I'm wrong but it looks like San Diego is gonna have an arena ready to go in just a few years with their Midway Rising project. Phoenix not so much
If they went Phoenix and San Diego then they could push Edmonton and Calgary into the Central and Chicago and Nashville into the East.
Pompeius Magnus
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Nashville can be pretty easily placed in the eastern conference geographically as well, so there's some flexibility there.
AlwaysSunnyInTampa
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I'm assuming that's what happens. But I wonder if the bridge with Phoenix is completely burned. It's not only going to take too long to build another arena for the Suns and the NHL team, but the fastest solution is ironically Glendale. And I don't think they will serve an NHL tenant ever again. I don't think that will stop the NHL from trying. But 2 more teams moving East might be too many moving parts.
But that's why I'm thinking San Diego might be the salvage attempt in a few years if that arena really is getting built. The NFL isn't coming back there ever so there's at least an opportunity for the NHL to fill the vaccum.
It is very possible the West is maxed out too if Phoenix says no. Because I don't think Portland is ever getting it together. That leaves maybe Omaha and Indianapolis? You might as well go for Quebec City
AlwaysSunnyInTampa
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Youre gonna have to resurrect the southeast conference if you do that
Atlanta
Carolina
Florida
Nashville
Tampa Bay
Washington
Oh the horror of having a division with less than 8 teams and the Florida teams not paired with Canada right?
Portland is held up by Jody Allen. Paul Allen passed away 7 years ago. She has sold off a lot of stuff that's more difficult to sell (art collection, the tech at his computer museum, superyachts, estates, etc) than the sports teams would be. Its not all that difficult to sell a sports team. There are banks and consulting firms that do that very thing. The Bills were sold within 6 months of Ralph Wilson's death. The Blazers have gotten offers from Phil Knight. She just doesn't want to sell now.
ponder719
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No bridge is ever burned so badly that it cannot be rebuilt with enough money. Phoenix isn't going to be ready next year, or in five, or perhaps not even in ten, but eventually, someone will decide that putting a team back in Phoenix is a good idea, whether that's Ishbia looking for a second tenant to strengthen his case for a new arena when Footprint reaches the end of its useful life, or someone we don't yet know thinking they'd quite like an anchor tenant for a mixed-use development.
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For the next decade Ishbia as owner is really the only path to a new team. Being a tenant won't work for an NHL team. They tried that first.
AlwaysSunnyInTampa
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Thing is, someone's gotta actually buy the billion dollar expansion team AND negotiate with the Blazers. It's not impossible but I don't have a clear picture of the expansion schedule for teams 35 and 36
Everything in Paul Allen's estate is an appreciating asset. She just likes owning teams. The Seahawks she had to keep for a while because there was a clause in their stadium deal that they had to share part of the team sale if they sold in a certain amount of time, but that clause expired.
