Should we strongly consider Trading W. Nylander while his value is high?

[Leaffan1991]

I'm not advocating this, but just thinking out loud. I would debate long and hard on the merits of trading Nylander to New Jersey for the 2nd overall with pluses here and there. Draft Juraj Slafkovsky who is projected as a harder hitting Mikko Rantanen, and spend the $7 million in free agency upgrades. In one year's time you have a younger hungrier forward group with Knies, Slafkovsky and Robertson on cheap pushing up.

That would be the only real scenario I could see. A simultaneous cap restructure and re-energizing the organization with some elite young talent.

This would be the perfect trade for us

 

[Antropovsky]

I'd move Marner for a package involving the #2 pick and draft that Slovak, and move Nylander for Miller. Matthews is the fun one. He could be kept, but I'd entertain offers especially if he indicates he doesn't want to re-sign when the time comes.

Tavares can stay because he wouldn't bring much in a trade return and he's good enough especially if the other 3 are gone

11 million dollar players should make impacts like Crosby, McDavid or look what Makar has done.... Marner at 9 million, sure - not the best 9 million dollar player in the league but certainly its a fair price. He has failed multiple times at the biggest moments for this team. Last year wirh the over the boards delay of games, this year with the flip pass in game 6 OT that was easily picked off, then he was flat footed and wasn't ready to defend, which he put his stick out and the Tampa player literally ran it over and out of his hands.

I like Mitch Marners talent and I'd like to keep him.... but his price for what he brings is just not worth it, especially considering he isn't a big moment player.

Yup, I think so too. LA might make a lot of sense, don't know that much about what's going on down there but from the little I do know, young team on the rise might be an accurate description.

I'm an optimist though. I'm encouraged by how well we played in these playoffs and if Dubas can somehow find us a #1 goalie, I like our chances next season. M&M were both really good in these playoffs and they obviously love playing together, that doesn't hurt either so I think Matthews stays right where he is.

Andersen was Matthews best friend and he was close with Marleau too... it's part of the game and I'm sure he understands. I think he definitely would be passed if we traded Marner and the team didn't improve the next year. He would probably out the blame on the trade and maybe it would effect his decision.

 

[Folignos Helmet]

Overdrive they talk about the clutch gene.
Honestly I don’t think any leafs have it.
Id be open to anyone going.

 

[Antropovsky]

This would be the perfect trade for us

..... take away Nylander from our top six and I think it is even more realized how stupid it is to pay three forwards 11 million dollars is. Teams continually talk about the leafs speed and offensive skill not because of just Marner, Matthews and Tavares but Nylander is a big component of that.... he is incredibly skilled. I think Nylander is very underrated. Take him out of the last two playoffs and what happens? He has been our most dependable offensive player.

I've never been a huge fan of Nylander, but I think trading him over others would be opening up a bigger hole that would be difficult to fill with 7 million.

 

[Canadian Finn]

..... take away Nylander from our top six and I think it is even more realized how stupid it is to pay three forwards 11 million dollars is. Teams continually talk about the leafs speed and offensive skill not because of just Marner, Matthews and Tavares but Nylander is a big component of that.... he is incredibly skilled. I think Nylander is very underrated. Take him out of the last two playoffs and what happens? He has been our most dependable offensive player.

I've never been a huge fan of Nylander, but I think trading him over others would be opening up a bigger hole that would be difficult to fill with 7 million.

I agree. If we move on from Nylander and not Marner it would solidify our culture (problem) on the team.

 

[Antropovsky]

Overdrive they talk about the clutch gene.
Honestly I don’t think any leafs have it.
Id be open to anyone going.

I think Matthews has it.... I think Marner has rhe anti clutch gene and Matthews suffers from having to be on the ice at clutch moments with Marner. Look at the last couple playoffs.... marner throws the puck out of play for delay of game... this year he throws a lob pass behind Matthews that is picked off by Kucherov? and Marner proceeds to not play defense on the counter attack (probably because he was still disappointed in his unsuccessful pass)... then on the powerplay in the last couple minutes Marner tries to thread a needle through a two time defending championship team protecting a 1 goal lead... the puck is easily blocked by the very first Tampa defender... fortunately Marner got the puck back or else he'd have looked even more silly. Marners decision making in key moments gets scrambled.

 

[Farsailor]

Best contract on the team. Probably our best player the last two playoffs, but yeah trade him and problem solved? Makes no sense at all. This team needs less trades, less lineup shuffles and instead more consistancy and coming together as a group, as a team, in my opinion.

 

[Woodman19]

I agree. If we move on from Nylander and not Marner it would solidify our culture (problem) on the team.

How so? Marner kills penalties, throws hits and blocks shots on top of outscoring Nylander. There is zero issue with his work ethic on the ice. Nylander does none of those things and periodically gives up completely on plays. What culture does Nylander exemplify?

 

[Sniper99]

1. Tavares
2. Marner

good luck moving Tavares, you'll get a shitty contract and then some back for him. Maybe that shittty contract will actually work his ass off though.

 

[Magic Man]

Yes. He is basically Phil Kessel reincarnated. He's soft and lazy and you can only have so many of those types of players.

The reason I wouldn't move Marner is because he's a 100 point player. They can't find anyone, anywhere to replicate that. Tavares doesn't score a 100 points and makes more money. So, find a taker, even just for cap space. With those two gone, you can retool the team.

 

[Smif]

Marner had one more point in the playoffs than William for four million dollars more. Yes he pks. But if you want 10.9 you better be outscoring the 6.9 player by quite a bit. William and Mitch were comparable this playoffs and willy was much much much much better last playoffs. So yes, when it matters the most they're in the same exact level and when you include contracts i know who I'd rather have in the post season.

Nylander scored two of his goals when we were down 5-0 and the game was over. Marner plays against top competition every single night. He's not 36% better (contract difference) than Nylander but he's definitely a tier above imo.

 

[Sniper99]

Would Dubas come back to Nylander "hey man remember that time I sucked up to you and said I wouldnt trade you if you re-signed? do you mind if I traded you now?"

 

[Gary Nylund]

I think Matthews has it.... I think Marner has rhe anti clutch gene and Matthews suffers from having to be on the ice at clutch moments with Marner. Look at the last couple playoffs.... marner throws the puck out of play for delay of game... this year he throws a lob pass behind Matthews that is picked off by Kucherov? and Marner proceeds to not play defense on the counter attack (probably because he was still disappointed in his unsuccessful pass)... then on the powerplay in the last couple minutes Marner tries to thread a needle through a two time defending championship team protecting a 1 goal lead... the puck is easily blocked by the very first Tampa defender... fortunately Marner got the puck back or else he'd have looked even more silly. Marners decision making in key moments gets scrambled.

A few weeks ago I would have said that based on the last 3 playoffs, you might be right but let's wait and see how he does this time around. I have no problem with the way Marner played, I thought he was pretty great.

Best contract on the team. Probably our best player the last two playoffs, but yeah trade him and problem solved? Makes no sense at all. This team needs less trades, less lineup shuffles and instead more consistancy and coming together as a group, as a team, in my opinion.

What this team needs is a #1 goalie. Not easy to find one but that's the priority IMO.

This is why we lost the series. Vasi has a habit of playing lights out in game 7 and he did it again.

 

[notdoneyet]

Among our forwards in these playoffs, Matthews had the best on ice goals % and best on ice expected goal %. Nylander was 2nd to Matthews in both categories despite not having another star player on his line so here's a thought - instead of trading him, why don't we try giving him some more minutes?

I was ranting about this a few days ago because Marner at that point was playing 5 more minutes per game than Nylander. Keefe was double shifting Matthews to get him more minutes so why not send out Nylander with him, that would be one hell of a 4th line!

That's my one big criticism of Keefe and I do think that 4 more minutes per game for Nylander could have us preparing for Florida today. Live and learn (I hope).

Well you cant play him on thevpenalty kill
You cant play him in the last couple of minutes when trying to protect a lead
He is exceptionally useless in his own end.
Doesn’t finish a check and shys from contact
So where can he get those extra minutes so he can show us how elite he is

 

[Canadian Finn]

How so? Marner kills penalties, throws hits and blocks shots on top of outscoring Nylander. There is zero issue with his work ethic on the ice. Nylander does none of those things and periodically gives up completely on plays. What culture does Nylander exemplify?

Effort.

The playoff culture that requires extra effort.

Minnie was invisible last night. Nylander was not.

but hey, we super good in the regular season!!!

 

[hockeyes]

Would Dubas come back to Nylander "hey man remember that time I sucked up to you and said I wouldnt trade you if you re-signed? do you mind if I traded you now?"

He would get Shanahan to be GM for a day to make the trade

 

[Smif]

I agree. If we move on from Nylander and not Marner it would solidify our culture (problem) on the team.

How is Marner more if a culture problem than Nylander?? Just the effort level alone... c'mon.

 

[Canadian Finn]

How is Marner more if a culture problem than Nylander?? Just the effort level alone... c'mon.

The effort level is what matters.

The rest is all fluff.

 

[therealkoho]

Among our forwards in these playoffs, Matthews had the best on ice goals % and best on ice expected goal %. Nylander was 2nd to Matthews in both categories despite not having another star player on his line so here's a thought - instead of trading him, why don't we try giving him some more minutes?

I was ranting about this a few days ago because Marner at that point was playing 5 more minutes per game than Nylander. Keefe was double shifting Matthews to get him more minutes so why not send out Nylander with him, that would be one hell of a 4th line!

That's my one big criticism of Keefe and I do think that 4 more minutes per game for Nylander could have us preparing for Florida today. Live and learn (I hope).

perhaps Will should take over MM's PK minutes, which is where the difference is. It's not hard to figure out and more people than just me have pointed this fallacy out more than a few times?

 

[Gary Nylund]

Well you cant play him on thevpenalty kill
You cant play him in the last couple of minutes when trying to protect a lead
He is exceptionally useless in his own end.
Doesn’t finish a check and shys from contact
So where can he get those extra minutes so he can show us how elite he is

The answer is in my post you quoted - send him out with Matthews when he's getting double shifted. Easy peasy. Can you imagine the damage Matthews&Nylander could do with a few shifts here and there against TB's 4th line?

And he's not useless at all, far from it. He had a very good regular season and an even better playoffs, just like last season. How anyone can be on his case at this point in time is beyond my comprehension.

 

[Smif]

The effort level is what matters.

The rest is all fluff.

The effort level I give a big edge to Marner, not Nylander.

 

[Canadian Finn]

The effort level I give a big edge to Marner, not Nylander.

not in the playoffs, and especially not last night. (or game 6).

sure, minnie is pretty in the regular season.

 

[Gary Nylund]

perhaps Will should take over MM's PK minutes, which is where the difference is. It's not hard to figure out and more people than just me have pointed this fallacy out more than a few times?

I'd have him taking back to back double shifts like we were doing with Matthews. Matthews sometimes took shifts with the 4th line and stayed on for his shift with the 1st line. Just do the same thing with Nylander, he was driving the 3rd line, have him stay out there whenever you send out Matthews, simple stuff. It's just 2-3 shifts per period but those two up against 4th lines could do a lot of damage in a very short time.

 

[Smif]

not in the playoffs, and especially not last night. (or game 6).

sure, minnie is pretty in the regular season.

I base my decision on the entire season, playoffs, offensively, defensively, physicality, and away from the puck. Effort level based on everything and Marner blows Nylander away.

 

[Woodman19]

Effort.

The playoff culture that requires extra effort.

Minnie was invisible last night. Nylander was not.

but hey, we super good in the regular season!!!

Again, how does Nylander put more effort? I think you confuse stat line results and on ice effort. Marner does not shy away and give up on plays and stop moving his feet like Nylander.

I feel like half the fans don't even watch the games lol. I am astonished anyone would think Nylander is anything but the worst player on the team in terms of effort.