Should we strongly consider Trading W. Nylander while his value is high?

[SeaOfBlue]

Yeah I don't know that much about Trotz but was wondering about that well. If he's the type to completely change the way we play then I don't want him either.

I'll say it again, I think we played very well this series and in game 7 and other than not giving Nylander more minutes I can't criticize Keefe at all. I said it before the series and before game 7 - the one big question mark on this team is the goalie. If we can somehow solve that issue, I'm more than fine with coming back with as much of the same team as possible next season. Another save here or there or a few more minutes of Nylander and we might be prepping for Florida right now.

Nylander did only play 10 fewer ES minutes than Marner in that series, and played practically the same amount as Tavares. Short of putting Nylander on the PK or the Leafs drawing more penalties to get Nylander more PP minutes (refs were certainly not letting that happen), it is tough to really find ways to get him more minutes. The only guy who really played drastically more than him was Matthews, and I think that is for obvious reasons.

 

[Al14]

Maybe Dubus should have kept Hyman at his new salary and traded Nylander. But who the frig knows. Everything the Leafs do turns to shit.

Look, we got rid of Cody Ceci, yet he just HELPED the Oilers move on to the 2nd round.

I'm tired of no-name hockey players from the GTA knifing our Leafs in the back. Who would have ever guessed that Nick Paul from Mississauga would single handily eliminate our Leafs. His 2nd goal, the winner, should never have counted with the INTERFERENCE/Holding the stick penalty committed against Muzzin !!! It should have been called just as Holl's penalty negated the Tavares goal. NHL got the result THEY WANTED !!!

 

[saffronleaf]

Watching this series, at worst the teams were evenly matched. But I firmly believe we were the far better team, especially 5 on 5. I stand by this statement even after the loss. We were significantly better 5 on 5, and I can't emphasize significantly enough.

We lost cause of a couple "bounces" People are acting like this was some no contest blow out loss. Our team is right there with the Bolts.

but most importantly the leafs failed and lost and tampa succeeded and won

every year there's different excuses. every single year.

wonder what the excuse will be next year. get it ready now since they will 'run it back' and lose in the first round game 7 again. oh so close! just a couple bounces! what kenya do

 

[Gary Nylund]

Trotz would do well for the Leafs and if the big boys can’t take his approach, they should be off the team even if his and is Matthews, which I doubt since Ovie had nothing but good thing to say about Trotz.

Maybe. I don't know much about Trotz so I don't have a strong opinion here.

Nylander did only play 10 fewer ES minutes than Marner in that series, and played practically the same amount as Tavares. Short of putting Nylander on the PK or the Leafs drawing more penalties to get Nylander more PP minutes (refs were certainly not letting that happen), it is tough to really find ways to get him more minutes. The only guy who really played drastically more than him was Matthews, and I think that is for obvious reasons.

I'm well aware of his minutes. Getting him more minutes is easy as can be - just send him out for more ES shifts exactly the same way Keefe was getting more minutes for Matthews.

 

[ER89]

You really think Nylander is on the same level as Marner??

Marner had one more point in the playoffs than William for four million dollars more. Yes he pks. But if you want 10.9 you better be outscoring the 6.9 player by quite a bit. William and Mitch were comparable this playoffs and willy was much much much much better last playoffs. So yes, when it matters the most they're in the same exact level and when you include contracts i know who I'd rather have in the post season.

 

[CapspaceKiller]

Yes, he's a very good player on an excellent contract, but he has to go. I love his effort offensively. He works hard for the puck, he goes to the net with reckless abandon, but the team needs a power forward that can play the dump and chase style with Tavares. I'm not a Nylander hater, he's a very good player who is over-criticized by this fanbase, but his style is not conducive to winning given what's on the rest of the team. Trade him now, for a bigger, simpler player that fits with Tavares.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Yes, he's a very good player on an excellent contract, but he has to go. I love his effort offensively. He works hard for the puck, he goes to the net with reckless abandon, but the team needs a power forward that can play the dump and chase style with Tavares. I'm not a Nylander hater, he's a very good player who is over-criticized by this fanbase, but his style is not conducive to winning given what's on the rest of the team. Trade him now, for a bigger, simpler player that fits with Tavares.

When he's on the ice, we tend to out-chance and out-score the opposition and the only player who "tilted the ice" more for us against TB was Matthews.

Sounds conducive to winning to me.

 

[CaptainCrunch17]

Keefe saw what we all saw... Nylander plays when he wants, holding the puck and possessing it makes him look good on paper but retrieving pucks and protecting your zone comes in clutch in the Playoffs and he falls in that category, he is what he is... Keefe felt he needed to be babysat with Kampf and Engvall. He plays well with room... The playoffs you have less space and that's when he shys away.. we need more players to bring us in the fight with that cap hit. We have players that put up points already.. we lose in the playoffs because there are more players that want it more, and if you're going to give a top 6 forward like Nylander big minutes, he has to show he's not just going to play a finesse game come play offs. If he smells contact he gives up possession. That style kills momentum on the bench... If the bench sees everyone fighting for pucks, then they know that's the standard.

Nylander looks amazing stick handling and doing repeatedly laps of the O-zone.

It doesn’t typically translate into much though.

 

[ORRFForever]

I'd rather move Mathews or Marner.

 

[WillyC]

No, we could not replace his talent for the money… we are very close to winning, it should have been over in game 6 with proper referees.
Next year Willy and the boys will be one year better and we’re still gonna be contenders.

 

[ORRFForever]

Nylander looks amazing stick handling and doing repeatedly laps of the O-zone.

It doesn’t typically translate into much though.

I agree. I was thinking, "Why is he doing that? Is he trying to be Sid?"

The difference... When Sid does it, it results in something special. When Nylander does it, he just gets dizzy.

 

[chaser17]

I think you make tweaks and go again, nothing too dramatic. I don't see anybody other than maybe carolina being better next year. Tampa, Rangers, and Florida are gonna be tight on the cap with new contracts kicking in and key UFAs. Pittsburgh and Boston could have key players moving on.

 

[Canadian Finn]

not as strongly as we should be considering trading minnie mouse - whose value is apparently higher.

 

[ORRFForever]

No, we could not replace his talent for the money… we are very close to winning, it should have been over in game 6 with proper referees.
Next year Willy and the boys will be one year better and we’re still gonna be contenders.

To winning what? The Cup or one playoff round?

 

[colchar]

We can't trade Matthews because he is too good.
We can't trade Marner because that contract is abysmal and everybody knows he is a playoff dud.
We can't trade Tavares because he has a no movement on his contract.

Willy is our only option, but he is also the one guy with a sensible contract.

Cold hard truth is, we are probably stuck with this core until they figure out how to play hockey, or get sent their separate ways when contracts are up.

The sensible contract adds to his value as a trade chip.

 

[CaptainCrunch17]

Yes, he's a very good player on an excellent contract, but he has to go. I love his effort offensively. He works hard for the puck, he goes to the net with reckless abandon, but the team needs a power forward that can play the dump and chase style with Tavares. I'm not a Nylander hater, he's a very good player who is over-criticized by this fanbase, but his style is not conducive to winning given what's on the rest of the team. Trade him now, for a bigger, simpler player that fits with Tavares.

Totally agree!

 

[colchar]

We trade nylander we lose the trade and become a worse team. If that is what you want, then sure may as well trade him.

Nice to know you can see into the future. That being the case, would you mind sharing next week's winning lottery numbers?

 

[Maitz]

You guys only needs some playoffs rings in your lineup. I don’t mean that as an attack to your team or anything but some guys with good leadership and playoffs experience would gladly help your team come the playoffs. Some guys that already won and are a presence in PO ( Perry ) for example

 

[ULF_55]

Nice to know you can see into the future. That being the case, would you mind sharing next week's winning lottery numbers?

I think he's using the same crystal ball people are using to say they win the trade.

n'est-ce pas?

 

[Gabriel426]

The problem is not Willie and his cap hit, the problem will always come down to having three 11mil forwards(I know MM is 10.893mil). If one of them is a Dman or a goalie, it would be fine but because all of them are forwards and two of them play on the same line, you can’t spread the offence.
If all three of them play and dominate on three different lines, it would be a lesser problem.
Barring Game 3, the Leafs didn’t have any production from the bottom 6 or outside of AM, MM, Willie and JT, that’s not enough.
Unless AM, MM and JT needs to start elevate players making 1-2mil or one of them need to be traded to better balance the lineup.
Trading Willie really won’t do much and I can see that it will be right back with the decision on which of the 10mil player needs to go after trading Willie.

I think all players are on the table since the team have not won anything with the same top end core for the past few years. But the trade must be a right trade for the Leafs and not for the sake of trading.
Most importantly, Keefe or the new coach needs to figure out how to deploy JT, AM, MM better with 1-2mil players.

 

[WillyC]

To winning what? The Cup?

To winning that series against 2x defending Cup champions Tampa… which could have been any of the Elite NHL teams, and yes, The Cup.

Yes, the Leafs are also Elite… we came very close to knocking TB out in game 6.

In that short window, we went from waiting to face the winner of Washington/Florida to where we are now.

People talking about blowing this awesome team up.

 

[Pantokrator]

Both those players looked like they wanted it more in the Play Offs, and I agree JT would be better trade, but realistically nobody will take him unless we add sweetners and JT wouldn't agree to moving his family for his hometown.. he's planning the retire here.

As a Flyers fan I would be willing to trade Kevin Hayes and Provorov for Marner in a second, but Hayes has a NMC and the management think he's Gretzky, so I don't see it happening.

 

[Canadian Finn]

we are elite?

I guess everyone copes differently.

elite, lol.

 

[dubplatepressure]

To winning that series against 2x defending Cup champions Tampa… which could have been any of the Elite NHL teams, and yes, The Cup.

Yes, the Leafs are also Elite… we came very close to knocking TB out in game 6.

In that short window, we went from waiting to face the winner of Washington/Florida to where we are now.

People talking about blowing this awesome team up.

they are only elite in the regular season. That is as much a fact as the fact that we're now 0-9 in clinching series games.

 

[ORRFForever]

To winning that series against 2x defending Cup champions Tampa… which could have been any of the Elite NHL teams, and yes, The Cup.

Yes, the Leafs are also Elite… we came very close to knocking TB out in game 6.

In that short window, we went from waiting to face the winner of Washington/Florida to where we are now.

People talking about blowing this awesome team up.

I just think the Leafs are the Washington Capitals from the "teen years" -and I don't mean that as a compliment.