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Rumor: Should the CBJ pursue Elias Pettersson?

Napoli said:
He's significantly better than Laine ever was but I can understand the concerns. Columbus actually has the pieces to get this done if they want to so people are going to speculate. Maybe Don is actually interested too.

It would have to make sense trade wise, I don't buy Pettersson is some damaged goods player forever now, we're talking about one year, not a string of 2-3 of bad production. I also don't know if the risk is worth giving up a young top player. At first I was all for it but now I see more benefit in going for a top D man. Pettersson would make times even more exciting though.
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The only scenario that makes sense to me is if it's for a pick (a player not in our top six) and a prospect.

Anything else, I’m not in favor of. So, I’d say no to trading Fantilli, Marchenko, Voronkov, KJ, Mateychuk, Jenner, or Monahan.

I heard the rumor that Carolina was close to trading Necas, KK, and a pick for Petey before they went with the Moose deal. That was almost finalized.
 
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Isn't Pettersson one of the most recent & longest superstar contracts to be signed?

It's worth noting that his contract might be considered quite team-friendly, fairly soon. Isn't the rumor that the salary cap increases for the next 3-4 years will be announced sometime during 4Nations?

The current expectation is a shift to players demanding shorter terms to ensure their contracts keep pace with significant future cap inflation. Petey might still be in his prime and locked in for 2-3 years yet when his 11m contract is worth the current equivalent of like 7m. it's possible that few additional players will sign contracts of this length for the foreseeable future.

Compare this case, for instance, with Silly (not saying I want to lose him, by any means): Silly entered the league as one of the youngest players, then burned a year immediately off his ELC. He has the chance to be one of the longest-tenured players in the history of the NHL, but he'll also be one of the youngest to reach free agency. This revises his long-term cost calculus upward in the same way it revises Petey's downward.

Just food for thought.

I am overall Yes to Don managing to leverage basically any combination of:
  • Next year's first
  • Jiricek's overall net return (all of it, if necessary)
  • Any one forward not Marchy/Vronk/KJ/Fants (including Lindstrom)
  • Any/all necessary combined returns of Provorov, Kuraly, and Labanc
Into:
  • Elias Pettersson and
  • A serviceable RHD, esp. Rasmus Andersson
The counter-situation is something like keeping the roster together, going for (e.g.) Boeser and a D-man in the off-season (keep in mind VAN might be able to keep him now, though if EP goes to e.g. Buffalo), and still having to make some tough roster decisions in the future.

I think the poll-worthy question for the fanbase should be something like: Is it worth losing, e.g., Silly to take a shot at the cup this year while also having a 100pt superstar center locked in for longer than most anyone else in the league? <-- For me, the answer is YES: I'm sentimental, but that's tidy business, sorry.
 
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TingleBiscuit said:
Isn't Pettersson one of the most recent & longest superstar contracts to be signed?

It's worth noting that his contract might be considered quite team-friendly, fairly soon. Isn't the rumor that the salary cap increases for the next 3-4 years will be announced sometime during 4Nations?

The current expectation is a shift to players demanding shorter terms to ensure their contracts keep pace with significant future cap inflation. Petey might still be in his prime and locked in for 2-3 years yet when his 11m contract is worth the current equivalent of like 7m. it's possible that few additional players will sign contracts of this length for the foreseeable future.

Compare this case, for instance, with Silly (not saying I want to lose him, by any means): Silly entered the league as one of the youngest players, then burned a year immediately off his ELC. He has the chance to be one of the longest-tenured players in the history of the NHL, but he'll also be one of the youngest to reach free agency. This revises his long-term cost calculus upward in the same way it revises Petey's downward.

Just food for thought.

I am overall Yes to Don managing to leverage basically any combination of:
  • Next year's first
  • Jiricek's overall net return (all of it, if necessary)
  • Any one forward not Marchy/Vronk/KJ/Fants (including Lindstrom)
  • Any/all necessary combined returns of Provorov, Kuraly, and Labanc
Into:
  • Elias Pettersson and
  • A serviceable RHD, esp. Rasmus Andersson
The counter-situation is something like keeping the roster together, going for (e.g.) Boeser and a D-man in the off-season (keep in mind VAN might be able to keep him now, though if EP goes to e.g. Buffalo), and still having to make some tough roster decisions in the future.

I think the poll-worthy question for the fanbase should be something like: Is it worth losing, e.g., Silly to take a shot at the cup this year while also having a 100pt superstar center locked in for longer than most anyone else in the league? <-- For me, the answer is YES: I'm sentimental, but that's tidy business, sorry.
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Don't like the fit, as I posted elsewhere. Pettersson is a really good player, but that doesn't make him the right player for CBJ's needs right now. I would not go out on the limb for Pettersson because of a SLIM chance of a Cup run this year. Keep building this - get the fit right - then make the splash and run. Pettersson isn't that player for me.
 
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Viqsi said:
Hope springs eternal.
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Here's the thing...everyone wants Fantilli from their fanbase but even Vancouver's leadership knows they are going to get hosed on any trade right now. At best they will get a 2C/high 3C (Like Sillinger) and players they can use to win now...they are not interested in futures. If the Necas trade is a good barometer that not many teams are rushing to give Vancouver their assets for either of these 2 centers there.
 
I am absolutely for this move, provided it doesn't cost Fantilli, Voronkov, Marchy, Werenski, or Monahan. A center lineup of Fantilli, Monahan and Pettersson would be among the strongest in the NHL for the next several years. I'd give up multiple 1sts, Lindstrom, Sillinger...whatever it took. Only one that would give me pause is Matechuk.
 
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Vancouver isn't going to trade EP any time soon unless it's for a package that they can call "win now" - Quinn Hughes has made it clear that any rebuild move and he's gone too, it's either try to win or blow the whole thing up.

So it's not 1sts and Lindstrom that they're after. And we'd be fools to include any of Fantilli, Voronkov, KJ, or Marchenko. Sillinger isn't much of a win now asset. If Chinakhov is close enough then that might swing things, but they'd need to know something concrete about his recovery and outlook, and I don't think we really know with his back issues. Mateychuk and LDBB are mostly long term value, but there's a glimmer that they might be pretty good next year, and maybe that's enough to keep Quinn Hughes onboard?

A Provorov - Soucy swap might be something appealing to them as part of the broader deal. Soucy isn't fitting in Vancouver anymore, but I like the player and we have more of a lack of 6'5 type big D-men.

Mateychuk
Del Bel Belluz
Provorov
Sillinger

Pettersson
Soucy

I'm not sure I would do this deal, but just thinking ahead to what it might look like.

ClevelandJacketFan said:
I am absolutely for this move, provided it doesn't cost Fantilli, Voronkov, Marchy, Werenski, or Monahan. A center lineup of Fantilli, Monahan and Pettersson would be among the strongest in the NHL for the next several years. I'd give up multiple 1sts, Lindstrom, Sillinger...whatever it took. Only one that would give me pause is Matechuk.
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Where does KJ fit in this thinking for you?
 
majormajor said:
Vancouver isn't going to trade EP any time soon unless it's for a package that they can call "win now" - Quinn Hughes has made it clear that any rebuild move and he's gone too, it's either try to win or blow the whole thing up.

So it's not 1sts and Lindstrom that they're after. And we'd be fools to include any of Fantilli, Voronkov, KJ, or Marchenko. Sillinger isn't much of a win now asset. If Chinakhov is close enough then that might swing things, but they'd need to know something concrete about his recovery and outlook, and I don't think we really know with his back issues. Mateychuk and LDBB are mostly long term value, but there's a glimmer that they might be pretty good next year, and maybe that's enough to keep Quinn Hughes onboard?

A Provorov - Soucy swap might be something appealing to them as part of the broader deal. Soucy isn't fitting in Vancouver anymore, but I like the player and we have more of a lack of 6'5 type big D-men.

Mateychuk
Del Bel Belluz
Provorov
Sillinger

Pettersson
Soucy

I'm not sure I would do this deal, but just thinking ahead to what it might look like.



Where does KJ fit in this thinking for you?
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Mateychuk is just a non starter. With a full lineup we're going to score plenty of goals. We need defense. Imagine our defense going forward without him. Would be real ugly.
 
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Based off the Flames and Flyers trade the market for depressed value forwards might be even worse than I thought.
 
SteelCityCannon said:
Mateychuk is just a non starter. With a full lineup we're going to score plenty of goals. We need defense. Imagine our defense going forward without him. Would be real ugly.
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Yep, Mateychuk is definitely a fixture in our top 4 .. honestly behind Zach , I think he’s turning into the next best defenseman on the team , and I’m not sure it’s close .. his calmness as a rookie is ridiculous, and we play much better with him in the lineup . I can’t see any scenario where he’s part of a trade right now
 
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ClevelandJacketFan said:
before this year i would have said he's our future first line winger, but with Marchy and Voro, it's hard to see his spot up there. Now can he surpass them? Sure. But he's probably the tippy top of talent I'd move for an elite situation.
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It's tough for me to include KJ since he's currently outscoring EP and comes with a $10m lower cap hit.
 
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majormajor said:
It's tough for me to include KJ since he's currently outscoring EP and comes with a $10m lower cap hit.
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Having said that, if he continues to pace like he is and becomes a regular PPG player over the next two seasons, his cap hit will likely be bigger on his next contract. So it's gamble, does EP bounce back and produce(especially in our environment) or do you invest in the younger guy to hit his top end potential that you know already fits?
 
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