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They should consider trading the guy in your user name IMO. Too risky with his injury history.
Rumor: Should the CBJ pursue Elias Pettersson?
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They should consider trading the guy in your user name IMO. Too risky with his injury history.
Don’t disagree on Chinakhov, but he won’t get EP with his injury history.
Although KJ is a nice piece it still doesn’t mean He is essential to the future of the team.
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Not that it matters since Portzline kinda already shot down the rumors, but playing devils advocate that we WERE in on this (or considering it) and after thinking on the subject for a few days, I would say NO we shouldn't go after this.
EP is a great player, but he's moody and has some sort of issue with "intense" situations. Whether thats the market in Vancouver or teammates like Miller, we don't need people who fold under "intense" situations. We just got rid of a guy who was the same way in Laine and the room was way better off for it. The kids are growing together and seem to enjoy each other. The deal would likely require one (minimum) of the "core" untouchable young players to go, and I just don't think thats a trade we should swing while we're still in building mode.
If the price was literally Sillinger+Lindstrom+ something else as the core pieces? Then yeah, obviously go do that. But thats not the case. It would require Fantilli or something, and I just don't think thats smart.
EP is a great player, but he's moody and has some sort of issue with "intense" situations. Whether thats the market in Vancouver or teammates like Miller, we don't need people who fold under "intense" situations. We just got rid of a guy who was the same way in Laine and the room was way better off for it. The kids are growing together and seem to enjoy each other. The deal would likely require one (minimum) of the "core" untouchable young players to go, and I just don't think thats a trade we should swing while we're still in building mode.
If the price was literally Sillinger+Lindstrom+ something else as the core pieces? Then yeah, obviously go do that. But thats not the case. It would require Fantilli or something, and I just don't think thats smart.
I don't think that's even obvious. I'm not sure if we want Pettersson's contract at all.
Like Laine's presence here was a bad thing, it doesn't matter if we could have him back for a lower price, we just shouldn't want him. I think Pettersson is better than Laine, but an equally bad headache in many regards, and has a worse contract.
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My only thing is are the headaches caused by the market pressure more so than one individual? Because if it’s the market, that wouldn’t be a problem here (could be an issue in playoffs though). If it’s an individual, then it could be more of a deal breaker because there’s no guarantees we wouldn’t have some similar personalities here.
I think it's more Pettersson than anything else. Vancouver media is not that bad. They try to be positive. We've had headaches with players and tension between fans and players here (e.g. Elvis), we're not a safe place for players who have issues.
KJ is a line driver, more so than Fantilli, he's also cost controlled on a cheap contract and fits the core perfectly, you don't trade those types of assets.
What's good about KJ is he learns from mistakes so it makes people like you with bad idea's have to go back awhile to find examples to use against him
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my primary issue with including KJ is that he is currently just as productive (on a per-60 basis) as EP40 and more importantly, for the next 2.5 seasons he'll cost over 6x as much (close to $25m in real dollars over that time)
imo pettersson is (or will be) worth his contract, especially with the cap rising. but if they swing for pettersson they need to push to compete in the next two years. having KJ's contract in that mix really helps.
if the contracts were the same i'd take EP40 over KJ no question (and i'm higher on KJ than most here) but with a $10m AAV difference there's no way you include him in this deal.
tired: pettersson or a defenseman
wired: pettersson and a defenseman
inspired: pettersson, a defenseman, and a goalie
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Isn't the true makeup of a person how they handle pressure situations? I've met enough people, from all walks of life, in my time to know that what you see is more often than not what you get. I personally don't take a risk on questionable character or leadership. Maybe he's the one guy that would be different but I don't think I'm willing to upset the apple cart, especially given the very high cost it would take to land him.
Well with news from Friedman that offers have been underwhelming for both EP40 and Miller. It was also very close for Carolina getting EP40 before the Avalanche trade.
Something like Minnesota’s 1st, Sillinger and Svozil might get it done. This would provide us with another center to add to top 6 center depth. Plus with the emergence of LDBB, it seems like he his passing Sillinger on the depth chart.
Something like Minnesota’s 1st, Sillinger and Svozil might get it done. This would provide us with another center to add to top 6 center depth. Plus with the emergence of LDBB, it seems like he his passing Sillinger on the depth chart.
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Vancouver will just keep Pettersson in that case, as well they should.
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If we could land him for those players and a couple of picks, given that they’ll need to rebuild their core, it would be worth it—especially if we don’t have to give up KJ, Fantilli, Voronkov, Z, DM or Marchenko.
I very highly doubt Vancouver is trading Pettersson and I also doubt they are trading him for random depth parts and expendable pieces. Even with his warts that is delusional
I didn’t say this is a definitive trade just try for multiple picks and prospects it would be worth it.
I could buy a ticket to the lottery and hit. Along those lines but definitely would not add Miller at any cost.
Work with me this is HFBoards.
I think they'd want exactly what came up on the mains. A deal involving KJ which is a hell noI didn’t say this is a definitive trade just try for multiple picks and prospects it would be worth it.
I could buy a ticket to the lottery and hit. Along those lines but definitely would not add Miller at any cost.
Work with me this is HFBoards.
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As stated before any combination not involving KJ, Fantilli, Vronokov, Marchy, DM, Z or Monahan would be the opening considerations.
If I remember correctly, Carolina had Necas on the table in trade talks for Pettersson. If that didn't get it done, then I'd presume that the Canucks mean something different by "underwhelming" than some folks here think. They're still asking for a lot. And I'm not sure I'd take Pettersson's contract for free, so if the bidding is too steep for us, then that's fine by me.
Reports were Necas and Kotkaniemi were the deal to Vancouver??? Who knows but if Vancouver trades one or both they are making themselves worse.
