Should Jagr get exempted into the HHOF?

[MadLuke]

But it’s not the NHL Hall of Fame, so him not coming back have absolutely no bearing on the situation.

I think we can extend that to any professional league.... if he retire this summer or next summer, I doubt he will make a big enough return in a significant enough league in the future to make it look strange like a Lafleur-Lemieux level of return, he will be getting close to 55 quick.

 

[CokenoPepsi]

I love Datsyuk but he's not top 10 all time. Plus, he played a more full-time role in the KHL than what Jagr is doing.

I wouldn't be surprised if Crosby and Ovechkin get in immediately upon retirement.

Don't see why Jagr deserves it.

I thought it was clear nobody after Gretzky gets it.

You do it for Jagr you have to do it for guys greater than him like Crosby, Ovechkin, McDavid

 

[Overrated]

Don't see why Jagr deserves it.

I thought it was clear nobody after Gretzky gets it.

You do it for Jagr you have to do it for guys greater than him like Crosby, Ovechkin, McDavid

Neither Crosby nor Ovechkin are greater than Jagr. McDavid might be a tad better but has had an underwhelming career so far.

 

[CokenoPepsi]

Neither Crosby nor Ovechkin are greater than Jagr. McDavid might be a tad better but has had an underwhelming career so far.

They are, it time to accept it..

McDavid underwhelming career? I say he blows Jagr out of the water at the same age who was more complimentary

 

[Nogatco Rd]

Don't see a reason for him to be exempt. Is there one?

Only thing I can think of is if he has elderly parents/family members that might not be around in 6-7 years or whenever he ends up going in.

 

[Overrated]

They are, it time to accept it..

Not in adjusted points, not in how dominant they were. None of them were dominating real superstars either as their era lacked more top end talent. Malkin, Kane and that's basically it.

 

[CokenoPepsi]

Not in adjusted points, not in how dominant they were. None of them were dominating real superstars either as their era lacked more top end talent. Malkin, Kane and that's basically it.

Their trophy cases speak for themselves, they are well ahead of Jagr there.

They are winners with Conn Smythes something Jagr could never come close to as he lacked the ability to really raise his game.

The lack of elite dominating superstars is puzzling to me as Ovechkin and Crosby were going up against each other they are far better than the likes of Jagrs competition...and even then guys like Malkin and Kane are above guys like Selanne and Kariya.

Plus Ovi and Crosby had less to work with

Adjusted points? Lol...

 

[Overrated]

Their trophy cases speak for themselves, they are well ahead of Jagr there.

They are winners with Conn Smythes something Jagr could never come close to as he lacked the ability to really raise his game.

Their trophy cases are quite similar. Most trophies are also quite irrelevant like the Conn Smythe. There is a draft system in the NHL. You get assigned to a team. Whether you win the cup or not is largely out of your control. Had Jagr played for Detroit, Colorado or Jersey he would have won the trophy.

The lack of elite dominating superstars is puzzling to me as Ovechkin and Crosby were going up against each other they are far better than the likes of Jagrs competition...and even then guys like Malkin and Kane are above guys like Selanne and Kariya.

They went up against each other because neither of them was able to separate from the other skill wise. They were of Lindros and Bure level.

 

[Hobnobs]

Only thing I can think of is if he has elderly parents/family members that might not be around in 6-7 years or whenever he ends up going in.

That would be a decent reason. Tbh I dont really care that much. I have bigger problems with the world than "They let in Jagr too early"

 

[MadLuke]

Not in adjusted points, not in how dominant they were.

Before jagr left for the KHL (18-35) part of his career.

Pts
Jagr..: 1,599
Sakic.: 1,465
Sundin: 1,321
....
10th: Roenick: 1,119

PPG, 700 games or more (That remove the gretzky-lemieux that did not play all of the dpe)

Jagr....: 1.26
Forsberg: 1.25
Sakic...: 1.21
Lindros.: 1.14
Bure....: 1.11
.....
10th: Yzerman: 1.06

Playoff points:
Sakic....: 188
Jagr.....: 181
Forsberg.: 171
Fedorov..: 168

The 18 first season part of Crosby-Ovechkin career, 2006-2023

Pts
Crosby...: 1,502
Ovechkin.: 1,485
Kane.....: 1,237
Malkin...: 1,229
....
10th: Getzlaf: 1,019

PPG (700 games)
Crosby....: 1.26
Malkin....: 1.16
Ovechkin..: 1.10
Mackinnon.: 1.07
Stamkos...: 1.05
.....
10th: Backstrom: 0.94

Playoff points:
Crosby....: 201
Malkin....: 180
Kucherov .: 160
Ovechkin..: 141

+/- forwards
Jagr....: 275
Crosby..: 210
Ovechkin: 67

I think a talk can be made about Jagr better competition 91-96 or so, but argument could be made about it being quite injured after that and not necessarily better in the early 00s. And also obviously the timing of it, Sakic-Sundin start their career just before or at the same time, Kane-Malkin a year latter.

In term of raw number, I am not sure they dominated less than Jagr or at least does not feel clear, in pts totals and per game at least for Crosby and depending on how you feel about goals for Ovechkin.

Has for McDavid having an underwhelming career so far, specially in the context of compared to Jagr, is that putting a lot of weight on the 1992 cups versus McDavid ? Not sure McDavid would not have done it and if that fair, because otherwise I do not see it, if anything McDavid as went above expectation and impressed imo, MacK and Kucherov are just really really good at scoring and Matthews scoring goals.

 

[Overrated]

Before jagr left for the KHL (18-35) part of his career.

Pts
Jagr..: 1,599
Sakic.: 1,465
Sundin: 1,321
....
10th: Roenick: 1,119

PPG, 700 games or more (That remove the gretzky-lemieux that did not play all of the dpe)

Jagr....: 1.26
Forsberg: 1.25
Sakic...: 1.21
Lindros.: 1.14
Bure....: 1.11
.....
10th: Yzerman: 1.06

Playoff points:
Sakic....: 188
Jagr.....: 181
Forsberg.: 171
Fedorov..: 168

The 18 first season part of Crosby-Ovechkin career, 2006-2023

Pts
Crosby...: 1,502
Ovechkin.: 1,485
Kane.....: 1,237
Malkin...: 1,229
....
10th: Getzlaf: 1,019

PPG (700 games)
Crosby....: 1.26
Malkin....: 1.16
Ovechkin..: 1.10
Mackinnon.: 1.07
Stamkos...: 1.05
.....
10th: Backstrom: 0.94

Playoff points:
Crosby....: 201
Malkin....: 180
Kucherov .: 160
Ovechkin..: 141

+/- forwards
Jagr....: 275
Crosby..: 210
Ovechkin: 67

I think a talk can be made about Jagr better competition 91-96 or so, but argument could be made about it being quite injured after that and not necessarily better in the early 00s. And also obviously the timing of it, Sakic-Sundin start their career just before or at the same time, Kane-Malkin a year latter.

In term of raw number, I am not sure they dominated less than Jagr or at least does not feel clear, in pts totals and per game at least for Crosby and depending on how you feel about goals for Ovechkin.

Has for McDavid having an underwhelming career so far, specially in the context of compared to Jagr, is that putting a lot of weight on the 1992 cups versus McDavid ? Not sure McDavid would not have done it and if that fair, because otherwise I do not see it, if anything McDavid as went above expectation and impressed imo, MacK and Kucherov are just really really good at scoring and Matthews scoring goals.

I was talking about his prime (94/95 - 00/01). Jagr had a slower start. I don't think it really matters how well you did at 18 or 35. Crosby also enjoys playing in the decline of hockey while in his 30s which inflates his numbers. It's a known fact fewer kids play hockey these days. All three of the best players of his era (Crosby, Ovi, Malkin) are doing so incredibly well in their washed up years. Ovechkin seems to be leading in goals again somehow at almost 40.

Has for McDavid having an underwhelming career so far, specially in the context of compared to Jagr, is that putting a lot of weight on the 1992 cups versus McDavid ? Not sure McDavid would not have done it and if that fair, because otherwise I do not see it, if anything McDavid as went above expectation and impressed imo, MacK and Kucherov are just really really good at scoring and Matthews scoring goals.

I know it's not his fault. Had he played in a league without a draft and without a cap he would have won several Cups by now most likely. Jagr too would have won a lot more. It's still a bad look nevertheless.