Should goalies be allowed to be NHL Captains?

[Degenerate]

Making this thread to spark an intelligent discussion/debate on the Durnan Rule.

The Canucks bypassed the Durnan rule by making Luongo their "unofficial captain", should the Kings consider a similar tactic and remove the captaincy from Brown and give his captain role to Quick? I'm not saying this would totally turn the team around, but I feel he is better suited for the role.

Of course, the Durnan rule prevents him from being the "official" captain.

Why does that rule even exist!?

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[42]

Ha, I didn't even know such a rule existed. It's a stupid rule. I can't think of any good reason why position should make someone qualified not eligible for team captaincy.

 

[Degenerate]

Ha, I didn't even know such a rule existed. It's a stupid rule. I can't think of any good reason why position should make someone qualified not eligible for team captaincy.

Exactly!! It's a 50 year old rule by the way. Outdated much?

 

[Travtera]

I think the rule is outdated and wouldn't argue if it was lifted but the Luongo experiment proved it just isn't a good idea. Goalies are a different creature. If they have a bad game, they need handle their own business and move on from it as quick as possible. Facing the media and speaking on behalf of the team game in and game out would be counterproductive to this. Perhaps a goaltender will come along and have the qualities to be able to handle that but I don't think Quick is the guy. I love the guy but he's not that savvy with the media. I like him better as the Conn Smythe winning cuss machine.

If Brown continues this play past this season, I think they might find themselves in a position where they need to remove the C, I'd sooner see it go to Kopitar, Greene or Richards.

 

[Degenerate]

I think the rule is outdated and wouldn't argue if it was lifted but the Luongo experiment proved it just isn't a good idea. Goalies are a different creature. If they have a bad game, they need handle their own business and move on from it as quick as possible. Facing the media and speaking on behalf of the team game in and game out would be counterproductive to this. Perhaps a goaltender will come along and have the qualities to be able to handle that but I don't think Quick is the guy. I love the guy but he's not that savvy with the media. I like him better as the Conn Smythe winning cuss machine.

If Brown continues this play past this season, I think they might find themselves in a position where they need to remove the C, I'd sooner see it go to Kopitar, Greene or Richards.

But Kopitar, Richards, and Greene haven't been good either.

In my opinion, Quick is the perfect captain. He plays great under pressure, and it would almost be like the team was saying, "Quick, we acknowledge your greatness, you are now captain for being our most consistent player."

He handles tough situations very well compared to the rest of the team. I think he would play even better than he already does.

 

[Travtera]

But Kopitar, Richards, and Greene haven't been good either.

In my opinion, Quick is the perfect captain. He plays great under pressure, and it would almost be like the team was saying, "Quick, we acknowledge your greatness, you are now captain for being our most consistent player."

He handles tough situations very well compared to the rest of the team. I think he would play even better than he already does.

Just would hate to see it become a distraction and hurt his play like it did with Luongo. Just not worth the risk. There's better ways of acknowledging his contribution to the team.

 

[Degenerate]

Just would hate to see it become a distraction and hurt his play like it did with Luongo. Just not worth the risk. There's better ways of acknowledging his contribution to the team.

I don't think it would be a distraction, more of an honor. But everyone has different opinions and I respect yours. I feel there is no risk, because almost anyone but Brown would do a better job. Sad but true. When I say that, it feels like I am putting him down, but I am only being realistic.

I suppose the only possible risk is for Quick to play worse, but I just don't see that happening, I think it would be the opposite, which is one reason out of many that I am even proposing the idea. Another being that he is well respected.

 

[BigBrown]

So is the goalie gonna skate to center ice to have a talk with the officials every time there's something to be cleared up?

Quick's already got the team on his shoulders, no need to burden him further.

 

[Degenerate]

So is the goalie gonna skate to center ice to have a talk with the officials every time there's something to be cleared up?

Quick's already got the team on his shoulders, no need to burden him further.

If there is a legit argument he has, then why not? I mean, in 99% of all calls, a captains argument isn't going to change a refs decision anyways.

 

[Trolfoli]

Edit: nvm

 

[Degenerate]

I'm not gonna buy into this "Takes to long for the goalie to skate to center ice and argue with officials" theory as to why this rule exists.

 

[Trolfoli]

I'm not gonna buy into this "Takes to long for the goalie to skate to center ice and argue with officials" theory as to why this rule exists.

I believe back in the day there was a goalie that was a captain. He would come out of the crease to talk to the refs on icings... then they'd have to wait for him to skate back to the crease and get set. Giving his team time to rest.

That with Goalies not being able to cross the red line could lead to issues.

Goalies don't need to be wandering all over the ice trying to run down the refs...

 

[Degenerate]

I believe back in the day there was a goalie that was a captain. He would come out of the crease to talk to the refs on icings... then they'd have to wait for him to skate back to the crease and get set. Giving his team time to rest.

That with Goalies not being able to cross the red line could lead to issues.

Goalies don't need to be wandering all over the ice trying to run down the refs...

So they should be denied the ability to be captains? If you really feel that way, fair enough. I think that's really dumb personally. Borderline unfair, really.

 

[KingKopitar11*]

Never make your captain your goalie, and your most productive player.

 

[Degenerate]

Never make your captain your goalie, and your most productive player.

Why not make your captain your most consistent/respected player? Legit question.

 

[Trolfoli]

So they should be denied the ability to be captains? If you really feel that way, fair enough. I think that's really dumb personally. Borderline unfair, really.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_(ice_hockey)

The rules of the IIHF, NHL and Hockey Canada do not permit goaltenders to be designated as on-ice captains,[2][3] because of the logistical challenge of having the goaltender relay rules discussions between referees and coaches and then return to the crease. During the 1947–48 season, Bill Durnan, who was the Montreal Canadiens' captain, left the crease so often to argue calls that other teams claimed he was giving the Canadiens unscheduled timeouts. After the season, the NHL passed a rule barring goaltenders from performing the duties of captain, known as the "Durnan Rule." The Vancouver Canucks named goaltender Roberto Luongo as its captain during the 2008–09 and 2009–10 seasons, but the on-ice captain duties were delegated to his teammates. The NHL also bars playing coaches or playing managers from acting as captain or alternate captain.[7] In the NCAA, there is no position-based restriction on the team captain.

 

[Degenerate]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_(ice_hockey)

Thanks for the factual post, so basically Durnan ruined it for all NHL goalies because he complained alot 50 years ago.

 

[KingKopitar11*]

Why not make your captain your most consistent/respected player? Legit question.

You don't want your best player to crack under pressure. Good players have performed bad being made captain, some players can handle it, some can't. You don't want to take that chance with your best player.

 

[Degenerate]

You don't want your best player to crack under pressure. Good players have performed bad being made captain, some players can handle it, some can't. You don't want to take that chance with your best player.

This is another opinion I respect, but disagree with. You aren't giving Quick enough credit or faith.

 

[KingKopitar11*]

This is another opinion I respect, but disagree with. You aren't giving Quick enough credit or faith.

I think quick takes a lot of pressure and responsibility as it is, I know quick is captain material, he's just the goalie, and he's probably one of the players that extra hard on himself. I wouldn't want him to get captain title as it is. Maybe an A.

If I had to choose anyone on the kings to be captain, id choose Drew Doughty. Always performs like a champion under pressure, and he loves it. Not only that, he's the most honest player we have.

 

[Travtera]

Goalies need to be focused, getting ready for the next play not arguing with refs every play that involves their team. It'd be one thing if Quick was a charismatic speaker/leader but he's a bit of a hot head. Don't you remember his abuse of official fine he got last year in the play offs, the dude is not the diplomatic type. Pretty sure he'd hate the media obligations that come with a captaincy every game. Doesn't strike me as a guy that would embrace that part of the role at all. I live in Vancouver, it was a complete failure with good reason. Being a great competitor, is important quality of a captain but there's way more too it than that.

 

[Degenerate]

I think quick takes a lot of pressure and responsibility as it is, I know quick is captain material, he's just the goalie, and he's probably one of the players that extra hard on himself. I wouldn't want him to get captain title as it is. Maybe an A.

If I had to choose anyone on the kings to be captain, id choose Drew Doughty. Always performs like a champion under pressure, and he loves it. Not only that, he's the most honest player we have.

Doughty isn't a bad choice either, but personally, if everyone disagrees with Quick being captain (not like he can anyways, right?) I'd probably pick Carter over Doughty.

 

[KingKopitar11*]

Doughty isn't a bad choice either, but personally, if everyone disagrees with Quick being captain (not like he can anyways, right?) I'd probably pick Carter over Doughty.

Good call, he can be, but if it comes to Carter and Doughty, I'd take the franchise defenseman who's young. Doughty is gonna be a king longer than anyone on the roster.

 

[Degenerate]

Good call, he can be, but if it comes to Carter and Doughty, I'd take the franchise defenseman who's young. Doughty is gonna be a king longer than anyone on the roster.

I think either would be a better choice than Brown, atleast we probably both agree on that

 

[Travtera]

Good call, he can be, but if it comes to Carter and Doughty, I'd take the franchise defenseman who's young. Doughty is gonna be a king longer than anyone on the roster.

I got to think Kopitar is the heir apparent. Tenured King, well respected, well spoken, already part of the leadership group wearing an 'A', helped carry the team in '12, lead the team in points in what the past 7-8 years?

Carter isn't a bad choice. I love DD but he's just a little too unprofessional/unpolished IMO for that role. Need to try him out with 'A' first and see how he handles it.