Should Don Cherry be in the HHOF?

[snag]

He absolutely is a bigot. Being old doesn't clear him from being a bigot when he spent decades judging and insulting players based on their nationality.

Thing is....this happens every day in Canada and the US on a smaller scale by playing stereotype of the south, the west etc... and nobody says shit about it. How is it any different?

 

[Soundwave]

I don't think anyone is really lobbying hard for Cherry to get in and HHOF probably doesn't want the controversey so they'll just leave him be.

Cherry made plenty of money talking hockey for 20 minutes a night for 30 years, I wouldn't shed any tears over that. He's been celebrated a plenty during his career.

HHOF is probably not in the cards for him. They have sponsors too that probably don't want any of that heat. There's not that many TV personalities in to begin with, so it's not really like a "must select" type of case. Players, coaches, GMs ... sure, but when you're getting into TV personalities, that's becoming a more fringe group.

 

[sr edler]

Regardles of what Åström feels I still feel it was pretty low how he kind of pushed his entertainment career using his old players as part of his "standup act". I remember reading that Merlin Malinowski (who he called Merlin the Magician claiming his ability to disapear in important games) did have some hard feelings about that.

Cherry really haven´t had impact in hockey in Europe. When I was kid/younger if you were hardcore hockey fan you had probably read bit of his comments on some papers or maybe read some story from hockey magazine about him and his dog. Overall he was mostly regarded as sideshow/entarteiner. So for Åström it was easy to come back to Europe where nobody really cared what he was talking.

But yeah I agree I don´t see him as particularly bad man. Just an old man who struggles with the change of time. Now granted obviously I haven´t really paid that much attention what he has said over the years,

But overall as hockey entertainer it does seem as outsider that he has been doing things for the popularity of hockey atleast in Canada.

Yeah, I agree it's a bit cheap to joke excessively about your old players like that, or to talk about them in the media like that, but my point was that Cherry comes across more like a Tortorella than a Babcock. Tortorella also used to talk about his players in a similar way, saying stuff like "Hagelin stinks on the power play", et cetera, but he never came across as actually malicious. Babcock on the other hand said all the right things publicly, but seems to have been a real jackass behind closed doors. For what it's worth a lot of players seems to love Cherry, including Nazem Kadri and PK Subban, whereas no one seems to like Babcock despite him saying all the right words publicly.

 

[The Professional]

I remember reading that Merlin Malinowski (who he called Merlin the Magician claiming his ability to disapear in important games) did have some hard feelings about that.

That's hilarious.

 

[Albatros]

That Malinowski guy by the way has excellent playoff stats everywhere he went. Just played for shit NHL franchises.

 

[Nikishin al Gaib]

It gives me a Church of Don Cherry vibe.

There is a certain segment of the population who loves anyone who makes them think its ok to put their own bigotry on full display without threat of consequence. For these people, Don needs to get into the HoF because it proves that "PC Culture" is the real problem.

 

[Weztex]

I am not the least bit surprised that this is how I appear to you. What you are doing is mind reading, and I see this all the time. This is a necessary step to justify your beliefs. If you do not insert your mind reading, what I say makes sense, but you feel a need to be against it, so you insert information that simply is not there.

It happens all the time, so this is not meant to insult you, it is merely and observation on my part.

Mindreading? Funny cause I posted some of Don Cherry's disparaging quotes in this very thread. Seemed pretty factual to me.

That rant on immigrants was sure unfortunate.

Oh wait! Were you talking about this one about women?
- “When you come to the games, keep your eyes on the puck. I’m telling ya, I’ve seen some awful smacks, and it’s always a woman yapping away there. Look at the game,”

Or was it this one about former enforcers with addiction issues?
- “The ones I’m really disgusted with …. The bunch of pukes that fought before -- Stu Grimson, Chris Nilan, Jim Thomson — the reason, 'Oh, the reason that they're drinking, drugs and alcoholics is because they fight.' You turncoats, you hypocrites,”

This one to David Suzuki and environmentalists?
- “I’d like to ask you with your left-wing pinko friends, what about the warming trend? I’m just asking you, the cuckaloos are always saying there are warming trends. We’re freezing to death.”

Or was this one about first nation kids facing closed doors?
- “Fair shake in life! Go out and get your own fair shake in life and work for it. Don’t give me that stuff,”

Maybe it was this one about Russians?
-“I’ve been trying to tell you people for so long about the Russians, what kind of people they are, and you just love them in Canada with your multiculturalism. They’re quitters and evidently they take a lot of drugs, too.”

Or went he went to a Rob Ford rally and said
-“I’m wearing pinko for all the pinkos out there that ride bicycles and everything. Put that in your pipe you left-wing kooks.”

Of when he mocked “Alpo? Isn’t that a dog food?” when talking bout Alpo Suhonen

Or when he ridiculed the Yugoslav Wars as “Lower Slobovia attacking Slimea.”

Or maybe when he went on a rant against visors saying - “Most of the guys who wear them are Europeans and French guys.”

Or criticized french Quebecers saying :
- “They don’t want our signs . . . they don’t want our language and then they can’t understand why an 18-year-old kid from Ontario doesn’t want to go there. Get with it.”

Or when he referred to Olympic flag bearer and gold medalist Jean-Luc Brassard as "a French guy, some skier nobody knows about."

...

I've voted no and felt very good about it.

Finally, you do not understand what the word bigot actually means. Look it up. This is also another very common mistake.

Definition of bigot
: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices

That's got to be the most accurate description of Don Cherry I've ever read.

 

[BMacLeafs]

No. Don Cherry is a racist and misogynist and should not be allowed anywhere near the HHOF.

 

[BLNY]

Set aside the obvious issues with his image. Examine his career. What did he really accomplish to warrant it?

After 5 seasons in Boston he was a disaster in Colorado. Never got another coaching gig. You don't think he'd have taken another one if someone offered?

He was a disaster as a coach and part owner in the OHL.

He's never built anything except his own image, so he doesn't get in as a builder.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Thing is....this happens every day in Canada and the US on a smaller scale by playing stereotype of the south, the west etc... and nobody says shit about it. How is it any different?

It isn't different. The fact that it happens everyday is a problem.

 

[Hockeyholic]

He shouldn't have been fired from Sportsnet.

He was the only worthwhile personality they had.

 

[hardcorehabs]

After Cherry's "you people" rant regarding poppies or whatever dumb thing he was mad about, it exposed what a terrible piece of filth this guy is. Hope that old man dies sad and alone.

You’re a piece of garbage. Wishing a slow death on a Canadian legend because he called a group of people two little words.

f*** outta here.

 

[WarriorofTime]

You’re a piece of garbage. Wishing a slow death on a Canadian legend because he called a group of people two little words.

f*** outta here.

He's only a legend to racists and bigots. I hate everything he stands for and when he and his ilk die off it'll be a better place.

 

[McVespa99]

If he retired 5 years earlier he would be in for sure and probably should be. Cancel culture will probably keep him out though. He is a dinosaur and the last few years were not good for him

 

[snag]

After Cherry's "you people" rant regarding poppies or whatever dumb thing he was mad about, it exposed what a terrible piece of filth this guy is. Hope that old man dies sad and alone.

Perhaps you should have listened to it without you bigot radar sensitivity turned on extreme. I found nothing wrong with his statement.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Perhaps you should have listened to it without you bigot radar sensitivity turned on extreme. I found nothing wrong with his statement.

You have me mistaken for somebody else. I just heard it as it is, a bigoted old man who doesn't like that people that don't look like him live in the same country as him ranting that those people aren't grateful enough for living in the country.

 

[hardcorehabs]

He's only a legend to racists and bigots. I hate everything he stands for and when he and his ilk die off it'll be a better place.

And I wish you and the rest of the hyper woke would go extinct too. Find some middle ground.

 

[NHL Dude 120]

Don Cherry is a backwards relic who deserves no such honor

 

[WarriorofTime]

And I wish you and the rest of the hyper woke would go extinct too. Find some middle ground.

Not even close to "hyper woke". You don't have to be hyper woke to note a bigot when you see it.

 

[goonybird]

Unfortunately yea.

 

[snag]

You have me mistaken for somebody else. I just heard it as it is, a bigoted old man who doesn't like that people that don't look like him live in the same country as him ranting that those people aren't grateful enough for living in the country.

Nope.....you are exactly who I am thinking.

 

[snag]

And I wish you and the rest of the hyper woke would go extinct too. Find some middle ground.

And There is a difference from wanted a mindset to going extinct and wishing a particular death for someone like that guy wants

 

[McVespa99]

After Cherry's "you people" rant regarding poppies or whatever dumb thing he was mad about, it exposed what a terrible piece of filth this guy is. Hope that old man dies sad and alone.

This kind of post should get someone a time out from HF.

 

[Bear of Bad News]

Great work, guys, you drove the thread into a ditch.