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2014 might have been the year for him to steal one, but every player with a retired number has a ring. Three goalies with a retired number already. Great career. Hall of Fame career. But no. Not for me.
Well, these old guys played for glory without a decent paycheck. I guess few millions in the bank account could compensate young players for their sadness of being losers.Not retiring his number is a reason for future players not to want to come here or stay to create a personal legacy for themselves IMO. If the standard is holding players to the unrealistic standards of our 1980’s and earlier success in a 30-32+ league decades later then what’s the point for guys who care about that? Price did everything he could do here individually and from a team standpoint and got us close. It should be a no brainer. Do you think McDavid isn’t in the rafters if he doesn’t win a cup in Edmonton? Price was on that level in his prime for his generation as a goaltender.
I was waiting for your reply forever!!!Carey Price was a better hockey player than 99% of the players in the rafter. He would rank around 5th or 6th if we don't circle jerk and ignore eras.
He was certainly a better goaltender than Dryden.
The number of MTl fans pushing for HOF, it's like it's done. Every bad team have his Price , Kovalchuck, Dionne, Sundin and Joe Thornton. It happens, great players who never win the Cup. Ovy have been close to be in that party. They get HOF no problem but the question is when they will be offered a milk chocalate fake SC ring in compensation for playing in a bad team and when it will happen. Cuz the fans won't stop there. The difference between Ilyah Kovalchuck and Carey Price is Illyah have 50 fans speaking for him and Carey Price have 4 millions fans/lawyers speaking for him. They were both rare strong talent and they played both in bad teams.
Price wasn’t as good as Gretzky. What a silly comment.Come on guys the cup or no retirement thing is silly.
Telling me you wouldn't retire Gretzky if he was a Hab and didn't win any cups?
Yeah he had the most career points goals and assists but no cup so no jersey retirement.
There has to be a barometer where the cup win doesn't matter.
Who said anything about blame?I guess price should be blamed for having desharnais as his top center rather than Jean beliveau.
Price was never as uniquely good or dominant or McDavid. Hope this helps clear that up for you.Do you think McDavid isn’t in the rafters if he doesn’t win a cup in Edmonton? Price was on that level in his prime for his generation as a goaltender.
Price wasn’t as good as Gretzky. What a silly comment.
Who said anything about blame?
Every few months this topic comes up and every few months fans of certain players have to be reminded to calm down.
It isn’t an indictment against Price to say he shouldn’t get his number retired.
Price was never as uniquely good or dominant or McDavid. Hope this helps clear that up for you.
He’s the only goalie since Hasek who had a comparison to the top player the league “Crosby” at his peak. What are you talking about? You need the clearing up.Price wasn’t as good as Gretzky. What a silly comment.
Who said anything about blame?
Every few months this topic comes up and every few months fans of certain players have to be reminded to calm down.
It isn’t an indictment against Price to say he shouldn’t get his number retired.
Price was never as uniquely good or dominant or McDavid. Hope this helps clear that up for you.
It’s a totally different league.But would Dryden and Roy be there if they didn't win a cup? I still think that Price would have win a cup if part of any of the last 10 teams that won the Cup. But that's not an achievement. He's the perfect technical goalie, but that doesn't match the Stanley Cup in my mind. When the players on the ice look up there, they have to know that they need to win it all to be part of those legends.
There’s a lot more difference between Kovalchuk and Price than Just the number of fans they had. Kovalchuk could never elevate bad teams the way Price did.The number of MTl fans pushing for HOF, it's like it's done. Every bad team have his Price , Kovalchuck, Dionne, Sundin and Joe Thornton. It happens, great players who never win the Cup. Ovy have been close to be in that party. They get HOF no problem but the question is when they will be offered a milk chocalate fake SC ring in compensation for playing in a bad team and when it will happen. Cuz the fans won't stop there. The difference between Ilyah Kovalchuck and Carey Price is Illyah have 50 fans speaking for him and Carey Price have 4 millions fans/lawyers speaking for him. They were both rare strong talent and they played both in bad teams.
None. But that’s because it was a completely different league.How many former Canadiens have their numbers retired without winning a cup?
It’d have to be an exceptional player. I think he qualifies.I don't see it happening unless they do it because of what he meant to the franchise in this era of no cups.
Can someone in the future outdo Guy Lafleur? Of course.Can someone in the future outdo him? Of course, so the answer is no. By the time he's no more, I doubt there are any TV specials on his career. I don't think TV remains a thing anyhow...
He won trophies in one season aside from the masterson, one, not two, one. So did Theodore, now I’m not saying Price and Theodore are the same, but no one mistakes Theodore for being as good or on par with Sakic, Jagr, iggy, Naslund and Bertuzzi etc because he won the hart that one year.He’s the only goalie since Hasek who had a comparison to the top player the league “Crosby” at his peak. What are you talking about? You need the clearing up.
Durnan was not the best player on his team let alone the best player in the league.How do you retire Price but not say... Durnan (even though Plante is retired)?
Dude played 7 years... won the Vezina 6 times, first team all-star 6 times, won the cup 2 times, and a Hall of Famer.
If he didn't have multiple mental breakdowns, he would have been even better too.
So you don’t think he should get his number retired?I'm responding to the notion that he shouldn't even be considered for the hall of fame. I haven't said anything about whether his number should get retired.
Well that’s what it is — a circumstantial honour. Every other retired number brought the ultimate trophy to Montreal. Most did it as stars and superstars, some did it as part of a legendary cohort. They gained this honour through their respective circumstances.I'm also arguing that "no cups, no retirement" argument does not stand as it has too much to do with circumstance. It's devaluing his work for something out of his control.
Oh, a comparison okay. Thank you for clearing that up. Price was compared to Crosby at times. Fantastic.He’s the only goalie since Hasek who had a comparison to the top player the league “Crosby” at his peak. What are you talking about? You need the clearing up.
Theodore won both the Hart and Vezina in a tie breaker with Iginla and Roy and never received another Hart or Vezina vote in another season after that. He also didn’t win the Lindsay(Pearson) that year and was a 2nd team all star. That Jose Theodore season was a one hit wonder or fluke if you want to call it that. Price received Vezina votes in 7 different seasons(top 5 four times), best statistical goaltender by far from 2010-2017 which is a big sample size, going to be a first ballot HOF, was regarded as the best player(not just goalie) over a considerable stretch of time, took us to the SCF on his back with a broken body, was yearly voted the best goalie in the league by his peers over a long stretch of time, etc. Comparing him to Jose Theodore is insulting.He won trophies in one season aside from the masterson, one, not two, one. So did Theodore, now I’m not saying Price and Theodore are the same, but no one mistakes Theodore for being as good or on par with Sakic, Jagr, iggy, Naslund and Bertuzzi etc because he won the hart that one year.
He was never in the same league as Crosby. This is what really annoys me and has me arguing against him most of the time. These statements that elevate him way beyond where his quality of play merits. Once, he was the best player in the league for a season, no one ever considered him to be in the same stratosphere as Crosby who will likely go down as the 5th best player in history. Price won’t be talked about as the 5th best goalie in history, nevermind player.
His style was very economical and aesthetically pleasing so many like to overate him. The results don’t match the praise. He is the most overrated Habs player in our history.
Comparing him to Gretzky and Crosby however, is perfectly normal.Comparing him to Jose Theodore is insulting.
Nobody compared him to Gretzky. But for a period of time, however short you may have thought it was, when comparing impact peak to peak he was a comparable to someone like Crosby.Comparing him to Gretzky and Crosby however, is perfectly normal.
There was a comment right up who did precisely that. You didn't make it, but someone who supports retiring Price's number did.Nobody compared him to Gretzky. But for a period of time, however short you may have thought it was, when comparing impact peak to peak he was a comparable to someone like Crosby.
I’ve never heard of anyone saying Koivu should have his number retired regardless of how liked he was. There’s probably people out there but that’s not realistic. He wasn’t that kind of player. And Markov despite how good he was was never in that conversation either. He finished 6th in Norris a couple of seasons but he was never near the top of his position like Price was. Doesn’t help injuries kept him just shy of 1000 games as well. Neither of those guys will get into the HOF either, much less first ballot. At least Markov won’t for a very long time if ever. And whether you want to admit, coaches, GM’s, and players were the ones anointing him as being worthy of a Crosby comparison. It wasn’t just some media hype job and it did happen. You’re entitled to your opinion but I’ll take the opinions of the guys coaching and playing against him over fans on message board.There was a comment right up who did precisely that. You didn't make it, but someone who supports retiring Price's number did.
Price was never comparable or compared to Crosby either, for that matter.
There's no conclusion to this topic so we don't need to constantly bicker but I am sure the upcoming period of success will be a lot more joyful than Carey Price's individual Atlas-like attempt to carry the Habs. Not his fault but he doesn't get his number retired for being a bright spot in a dark era. We don't need to immortalize #31 or #11 or #79. There is actually no need whatsoever.
Being worthy of a comparison is a far cry from being The Best Player in Hockey. Additionally, the coaches, GMs, and teammates of other top goalies of Price's era also made similar statements in support of Lundqvist, Quick, Rask, Bobrovsky, Vasilevsky, etc. Price doesn't stand out as peerless until 2014-2015 and that 'peak' is cut short by injury and poor roster planning.And whether you want to admit, coaches, GM’s, and players were the ones anointing him as being worthy of a Crosby comparison. It wasn’t just some media hype job and it did happen. You’re entitled to your opinion but I’ll take the opinions of the guys coaching and playing against him over fans on message board.
Leaf fans always wanted Price.....I know people who could not believe how lucky the habs were to have selected him. Price has many many fans......not just habs fans.The number of MTl fans pushing for HOF, it's like it's done. Every bad team have his Price , Kovalchuck, Dionne, Sundin and Joe Thornton. It happens, great players who never win the Cup. Ovy have been close to be in that party. They get HOF no problem but the question is when they will be offered a milk chocalate fake SC ring in compensation for playing in a bad team and when it will happen. Cuz the fans won't stop there. The difference between Ilyah Kovalchuck and Carey Price is Illyah have 50 fans speaking for him and Carey Price have 4 millions fans/lawyers speaking for him. They were both rare strong talent and they played both in bad teams.
He was regarded as the best player by this board maybe, not much anywhere else. The proof is in the pudding. He won the vezina once. The overwhelming majority of the time there was a better goalie in any particular year. He didn't separate himself from the pack. He was an excellent goalie, in unfortunate circumstances who doesn't have the hardware to support a jersey retirement. HOF, sure, in the rafters, not a chance.Theodore won both the Hart and Vezina in a tie breaker with Iginla and Roy and never received another Hart or Vezina vote in another season after that. He also didn’t win the Lindsay(Pearson) that year and was a 2nd team all star. That Jose Theodore season was a one hit wonder or fluke if you want to call it that. Price received Vezina votes in 7 different seasons(top 5 four times), best statistical goaltender by far from 2010-2017 which is a big sample size, going to be a first ballot HOF, was regarded as the best player(not just goalie) over a considerable stretch of time, took us to the SCF on his back with a broken body, was yearly voted the best goalie in the league by his peers over a long stretch of time, etc. Comparing him to Jose Theodore is insulting.