Value of: Shesterkin

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ZachaFlockaFlame

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Agree with most of the sentiment here, you pay that elite goalie when you have him. If you can't figure out the roster around him then that's a different issue, it's not because you paid an elite goalie what he's worth. The Rangers have a steal in Fox also. ~20M in Fox/Shesty is still below what they'd both get on the open market fwiw
 

Pavel Buchnevich

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what happened to shesty earlier in the season,? guy was very beatable. Imagine paying 12 million for that? Was that just a blip on the radar? Post season certainly was good. Tough but easy decision for Drury here.
It was really only one month, January. Take that month out and he has a .920 for the season. I know you can’t do that, but his lowest in another month was .905.

It was a combination of everything that month with his technique, his confidence, and the defense in front of him. Goalies can go into slumps easier than skaters, but it wasn’t that long of a slump.
 

BB88

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Hate to break it to you, but it’s a lot more the “end of the window” not signing your best player. The Rangers are a bubble playoff team with an average goalie.

The “don’t sign your best player because others are bad contracts” seems counterintuitive. Shed your bad contracts, not your best when he’s up for an extension.

& signing him will mean they really can’t upgrade that playoff bubble team

I know they will sign him to an extension but they really rushed the rebuild and created a narrow window for themselves

Shest will be 30y when that contract kicks in, if only he was younger
 

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The cap is expected to be 92,000,000 during the season Igor's contract would start. Maybe a slight shift adding in actual revenue with Utah. . If Igor is takin between 11-11.5, that'll put him just under/over the 12% mark against the cap. I don't see 12+ over 7ish. I wouldn't want NYR to give it to him. Sure, it stings to walk away from a great goalie, but when you're giving 30-33% of games to a backup (for whatever reason), I think it's just too much to spend on goaltending.
 

Pavel Buchnevich

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& signing him will mean they really can’t upgrade that playoff bubble team

I know they will sign him to an extension but they really rushed the rebuild and created a narrow window for themselves

Shest will be 30y when that contract kicks in, if only he was younger
Well no, you subtract elsewhere. Thats like blaming McDavid for the Oilers cap situation.

Rangers can subtract Trouba, Panarin, and Goodrow over the next few years. Panarin makes more right now than what Igor will get.
 

SherVaughn30

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His value is UNTOUCHABLE! If you want to overpay for him, I would say at least three 1st round picks + a teams top prospect. If you trade for his rights and give him a new contract, then you will have to add more.
 

stl76

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$90 million x 8 years = $11.25 AAV.
 

bernmeister

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deserves + will get he 90 over 8 = 11.25 per on top of the existing 5.6 insane bargain

But he will be told not for nothing, giving you $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ of Dolan's dough is not the prob, it is cap.
We are gonna move Panarin, Trouba, + Lindgren soon to get cap.
We can extend you, but not keep you full duration of the deal

So go west, young man, to LA:
Shesty
pld dumped on ny at full 50% retained
Othmann

for

Byfield

Major wince for Ks, but it is a win win short + long term for both
both teams move depth to address need

Rs can actually consider this b'c have
- world's best G coach, allaire
- Garand = high end netminder prospect just below top tier
- Quick w/help from Domingue holds fort as he gets broken in
 

Captain Mountain

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He'll probably be the highest AAV goalie in NHL history. Either he signs it now with the Rangers or with some other team as a UFA next offseason.

8 years/$11.5 million AAV


The Canada Division was terrible, and then Price played great and Fleury played terrible so they upset Vegas.

Expected goals in that series were about even, Montreal had more high danger chances thanVegas in that series, and No goalie had a negative GSAA (Lehner probably played as well as Price).
 

KingDeathMetal

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12.5 is insane for any goalie. That said, I think the goal for the Rangers (and likely what ends up happening) is a deal that stays in the $9.5-$10m range.

The whole "don't pay for goalies" thing is a short term trend that will reverse once the current crop of elite goaltenders establishes themselves, which I think is already happening. An elite goaltender that is consistent year after year is the most valuable player on a team. To have such an asset is game changing.

But the reason teams weren't paying for elite goaltending, is because the league has been going through a period where repeat Vezina winners/finalists don't happen often, and besides Vasilevskiy, it seems like a random non-elite goalie wins the Stanley Cup every year. Combine this with the fact that the cap hasn't risen much in years, and you have a perfect recipe for goaltenders making less salary.

As the cap rises, more elite teams get bounced from the playoffs due to sub par goaltending because they bought into the "goaltending is voodoo so put anyone back there at a low cap hit", and the leaguewide consensus on Top 5-10 goalies settles into a consistent group of guys including Bob, Shesty, Swayman, Ullmark, Hellebuyck, Oettinger, Vasi, etc, you're going to see the AAV of goalies skyrocket again.

Look at how competitive the top of the league is right now in any given season between the top regular season teams. Many of them constructed around rosters that have low AAV in net. All it's gonna take is a few of these teams being goalie'd in April and May by dudes like Shesterkin for them to be like, "OK, we're a good goalie away from winning the Cup, and we don't have time to play Goalies Are Voodoo roulette in free agency. We'll overspend on the guy we know is elite year to year."

The on-ice value of a guy like Shesterkin has always, and will always be incredibly high. It was only a matter of time until the market adjusted to what has been an underpaid position for quite a few years. Goalies aren't akin to NFL running backs - they legitimately are the most important position on the ice if you have a good one you can count on for years The Rangers as a franchise are probably the best example of this, as between Hank and now Shesty, the league has been asking for the better part of 20 years, "Why are the Rangers so good despite being poor at 5v5? They can't possibly keep this up!" Well, when you always have a stud in net, you can, in fact, keep this up.
 

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Rangers will offer 8 years @ $9.5M
Shesterkin will ask for 8 years @ $12M

The two will settle for 8 years @ $10.75M
This will set him as the highest paid goaltender so it checks all the boxes for everyone.
 

bernmeister

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Teams that could (maybe) want him if NYR won't pay him :

Buffalo
Detroit
Ottawa

Toronto
New Jersey
Pittsburgh
Colorado
Anaheim
Edmonton
Los Angeles

Vegas
imo we should not be giving this guy the bum's rush out the door; that said, if Garand is not even as good as or better, but is sufficiently good enough quickly enough, it pays for Rs to move him now --- but only for top $ reflecting his elite Vez status.

Competitive bids from all of the above should drive up price...

also, is MON not interested?
 

5cotland

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deserves + will get he 90 over 8 = 11.25 per on top of the existing 5.6 insane bargain

But he will be told not for nothing, giving you $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ of Dolan's dough is not the prob, it is cap.
We are gonna move Panarin, Trouba, + Lindgren soon to get cap.
We can extend you, but not keep you full duration of the deal

So go west, young man, to LA:
Shesty
pld dumped on ny at full 50% retained
Othmann

for

Byfield

Major wince for Ks, but it is a win win short + long term for both
both teams move depth to address need

Rs can actually consider this b'c have
- world's best G coach, allaire
- Garand = high end netminder prospect just below top tier
- Quick w/help from Domingue holds fort as he gets broken in
I forgot why I blocked you.

This post reminded of the reason why.
 
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