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Series Talk: Sheldon Keefe: in memoriam

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Mr Knies Guy said:
To me that's exactly where it needs to start. Shanahan also had no experience running a team and our idiot board of owners sitting in their ivory tower thought that was a good idea. Then it just trickles down from there: "you get a chance, and YOU get a chance!"
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But what I fail to understand is Shanahan started strong by hiring experienced, successful guys to coach and manage the team. And then when things were starting to look incredibly promising, he changes tactics and hands the keys to the kingdom to a completely inexperienced kid that sells him on doing thing new and differently.
 
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Larcos_Unal said:
Let's be honest here it's not a matter of whether Keefe will be fired, the conversation should be whether he'll coach in the NHL ever again.

He's been absolutely owned by every opposing coach in every playoff series he's coached in. His inability to adapt has been a huge problem and it has wasted the window that we had with the core 4.

New coach wishlist:
*Experienced veteran
*Not a candy ass, must be able to hold players accountable
*Does not need to be best buds with the GM
*Must love bag skates
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There is no question he will coach again.

His regular season record will get him another rob.

Also he's the only person alive to win a playoff series for the Leafs.

He's going to coach again.
 
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He was done with me when he brought Holl back into the lineup in Game 3 and then Holl rewarded him with being with the worst defenceman on the ice
 
LEAFANFORLIFE23 said:
There is no question he will coach again.

His regular season record will get him another rob.

Also he's the only person alive to win a playoff series for the Leafs.

He's going to coach again.
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There are a lot of good coaches .we can't let Carberry get Away
 
Keefe and Dubas are the exact things I thought they would be right from the start. He can go stuff his donut feeder mouth and pack his crap after the season with Smiley McGee Dubas too.

If MLSE doesn't step in like a Hockey loving Owner of a franchise would, and I might say they probably won't because Rogers / Bell are two of the worst Canadian companies out there (Constantly given grants and helpful rulings by the CRTC). I mean, I will probably check out until I see something I like.,

Get it right for once, hire Gary Roberts as a consultant and other people who know what a winning mindset and culture is actually all about.
 
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For me, it's the in-series adjustments where Keefe fails. We are 9 games into the postseason and he hasn't figured out that teams are using a heavy forecheck against the D and he hasn't figured out a way to counter it.

Leafs are losing to an inferior team talent-wise cause they are getting outworked and Keefe can't provide a system to counteract the heavy forecheck.

For that reason alone I would hire a coach who is good at in-game and series adjustments.
 
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ryno23 said:
For me, it's the in-series adjustments where Keefe fails. We are 9 games into the postseason and he hasn't figured out that teams are using a heavy forecheck against the D and he hasn't figured out a way to counter it.

Leafs are losing to an inferior team talent-wise cause they are getting outworked and Keefe can't provide a system to counteract the heavy forecheck.

For that reason alone I would hire a coach who is good at in-game and series adjustments.
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Honestly, Keefe is a dumbfounded dumb puck. He has always been half the coach of all his PO opponents. It's not hard to get, but when your GM is Kyle Smiles Dubas you get this kinda NuHockey rhetoric, excuses and lack of results.
 
Larcos_Unal said:
Let's be honest here it's not a matter of whether Keefe will be fired, the conversation should be whether he'll coach in the NHL ever again.

He's been absolutely owned by every opposing coach in every playoff series he's coached in. His inability to adapt has been a huge problem and it has wasted the window that we had with the core 4.

New coach wishlist:
*Experienced veteran
*Not a candy ass, must be able to hold players accountable
*Does not need to be best buds with the GM
*Must love bag skates
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Great thread title.

I wish Shanny/Dubas reacted earlier when they saw Sheldon lose the coaching battle to Columbus and then MTL. TOR legitimately won that series against Tampa, but it certainly wasn't because Sheldon's coaching that willed them into a series win.

The decision making has been so baffling almost Keefe's entire time with TOR.

Why did he stack a JT, AM, MM line in game 5 (vs CBJ) only to pull the plug on it in the last part of the elimination game? Why did Sheldon do so much line shuffling against FLA/TB, but keep MM/AM together in game 3? They were clearly not clicking, so you decide in a must win game to not separate them?

Also why does Toronto show up to must-win games/elimination games and play it like it's a regular season game? Sheldon has never seemed to motivate TOR to be more...
 
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I've been on the fire Keefe boat for a long time.

Only way he stays if he pulls the miracle against Florida

Would like to see Gallant here
 
egd27 said:
But what I fail to understand is Shanahan started strong by hiring experienced, successful guys to coach and manage the team. And then when things were starting to look incredibly promising, he changes tactics and hands the keys to the kingdom to a completely inexperienced kid that sells him on doing thing new and differently.
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I suspect there's some sort of mandate from Dubas & mgmt tying Sheldon's hands when it comes to accountability, only thing I can think of. I mean Babcock was a prick and I have to think he tried holding the little boys accountable but they had him fired for it and then when Keefe "tries" to criticize them publicly, they go crying about it, particularly the biggest baby - Marner. So for me, mgmt has to go, bring in an experienced GM and coach who will not be afraid to ship Marner and Nylander out, because there's no way Dubas will do it.
 
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Does anyone here remember Bruce Cassidy coaching the Caps? I do and he was a pretty mediocre coach. After that he disappeared for 10-12 years and then reappeared with the Bruins. He looked like a much better coach.

I am not a Keefe fan but I never wish anyone ill will. Maybe he too figures it out down the line.
 
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BallardEra said:
Does anyone here remember Bruce Cassidy coaching the Caps? I do and he was a pretty mediocre coach. After that he disappeared for 10-12 years and then reappeared with the Bruins. He looked like a much better coach.

I am not a Keefe fan but I never wish anyone ill will. Maybe he too figures it out down the line.
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Two years in Chicago, two in Kingston and 8 in Providence for the Bruins before getting the Bruins job.
 
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I watch pressers almost never but I did watch Overdrive yesterday so I heard O-dog's comments about it, that was enough for me. He started by talking about how they had some good chances early because of adjustments they made or something like that, seriously dude?

He's the perfect mascot for this team, zero passion or emotion. I swear, if the coach and players on this team felt half as passionately about the team as the average fan does, they'd regularly be going deep in the playoffs.

So much talent on this roster, what a waste.
 
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BallardEra said:
Does anyone here remember Bruce Cassidy coaching the Caps? I do and he was a pretty mediocre coach. After that he disappeared for 10-12 years and then reappeared with the Bruins. He looked like a much better coach.

I am not a Keefe fan but I never wish anyone ill will. Maybe he too figures it out down the line.
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Keefe figuring it out down the line/years later won't do much for fans of his current team if that success ultimately ends up occurring with a different team (as was the case with Cassidy). It also doesn't really help matters if a Not Ready for Prime Time coach is leading a player situation that arguably should be primed for something more.
 
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Gary Nylund said:
Didn't they even go to the finals once? That's something I've been dreaming about all my life and have yet to see. Only a week ago this team was favored to get there too, what a f***ing disaster this has turned into.
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We had a better than coin flip odd to make the finals and in a span of a week, we went from give everyone extensions to fire everyone.
 
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BallardEra said:
Does anyone here remember Bruce Cassidy coaching the Caps? I do and he was a pretty mediocre coach. After that he disappeared for 10-12 years and then reappeared with the Bruins. He looked like a much better coach.

I am not a Keefe fan but I never wish anyone ill will. Maybe he too figures it out down the line.
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Mike Sullivan too, although he wasn't coaching in the minor league before he became the head coach in Pittsburgh.
 
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egd27 said:
But what I fail to understand is Shanahan started strong by hiring experienced, successful guys to coach and manage the team. And then when things were starting to look incredibly promising, he changes tactics and hands the keys to the kingdom to a completely inexperienced kid that sells him on doing thing new and differently.
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Strong? Promising? When? The team was probably going to miss the playoffs the last year of Babcock, and Lou went on to ruin another team.
 
The coach doesn’t run the show here.
We had a coach that tried to run it but he’s gone. That’s why we have Keefe to do what he’s told.
 
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