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Confirmed with Link: Sheldon Keefe Fired -- Discussion Thread

AllHeartNoSkill said:
Gotta wonder if they’re waiting for Brind’Amour, otherwise why isn’t Berube signed already?
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I'm guessing both parties are doing their due diligence with all other options.

The Leafs making sure they at least have conversations with other candidates, whereas Berube is speaking to all the other teams interested in his services as he probably won't get this leverage & opportunity again.

3blizzard4 said:
What term would they give Berube? Two year?
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3 or 4 years, or 3 with an option, seems to be the most typical thing.

At $3 - $4m a year?
 
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Idk who I want - Berube or Rod the Bod. Berube seems to coach the game how I would like - forecheck and grit.... Brind’Amour seems to prefer defensive systems, which the Leafs are certainly not. So I don't know if he fits.
 
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I gotta think Berube also wants a certain type of team. As much as the Leafs would want him, he might have also mandated a personnel change.

A different coach with the same core and minor pieces being shuffled around wont make one iota of difference.
 
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Evilhomer said:
This has honestly been the worst kept secret from the moment Keefe was fired.
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Same thing happened last year with Treliving. Tons of smoke before it happened.

Same thing with Babcock, Burke, Carlyle, etc. Plenty of awful player trade rumours get thrown around, but the media generally seems pretty accurate on the coaching/management side?
 
LeafsFan89 said:
Idk who I want - Berube or Rod the Bod. Berube seems to coach the game how I would like - forecheck and grit.... Brind’Amour seems to prefer defensive systems, which the Leafs are certainly not. So I don't know if he fits.
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And who on the Leafs will be doing the forechecking? As for grit, I can't wait until this argument falls away. Is Dallas gritty? The Rangers? This idea that there is one path to success (i.e., toughness) is irrational. The Leafs had oodles of grit this year, and it resulted in the same outcome. Turns out grit can't score in the playoffs either. Toughness isn't about how much you can hit or pointing at your biceps like a wrestler - it's about how strong you are at pushing through and creating opportunities, or stopping opposing opportunities, when time and space decrease. Vancouver has piles of grit on its backend, and none of it is helping their best offensive player figure out how to succeed when he doesn't have nearly as much time and space as he has in the regular season. More than anything else, the Leafs need their best players to be their best players when time and space are limited. So far, that hasn't happened with enough consistency. I still think it can, and maybe Berube is the guy who can bring it out of them, but it won't be because of how much grit the team adds.
 
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Evilhomer said:
And who on the Leafs will be doing the forechecking? As for grit, I can't wait until this argument falls away. Is Dallas gritty? The Rangers? This idea that there is one path to success (i.e., toughness) is irrational. The Leafs had oodles of grit this year, and it resulted in the same outcome. Turns out grit can't score in the playoffs either. Toughness isn't about how much you can hit or pointing at your biceps like a wrestler - it's about how strong you are at pushing through and creating opportunities, or stopping opposing opportunities, when time and space decrease. Vancouver has piles of grit on its backend, and none of it is helping their best offensive player figure out how to succeed when he doesn't have nearly as much time and space as he has in the regular season. More than anything else, the Leafs need their best players to be their best players when time and space are limited. So far, that hasn't happened with enough consistency. I still think it can, and maybe Berube is the guy who can bring it out of them, but it won't be because of how much grit the team adds.
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And why are they not... They continue to play a perimeter game and refuse to play a harder game, drive the net and score ugly goals. The reason why Knies scored that OT goal is because Boston was so shocked that someone (JT) drove the net lol.

If you don't like the word grit, fine. In my mind, grit goes beyond "toughness". It also encompasses drive, resolve and compete. The Leafs top guys generally lack this. Berube seems to preach this.
 
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Leafs to Berube...
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LeafsFan89 said:
And why are they not... They continue to play a perimeter game and refuse to play a harder game, drive the net and score ugly goals. The reason why Knies scored that OT goal is because Boston was so shocked that someone (JT) drove the net lol.

If you don't like the word grit, fine. In my mind, grit goes beyond "toughness". It also encompasses drive, resolve and compete. The Leafs top guys generally lack this. Berube seems to preach this.
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Can you back this up? Here’s a heat map of just about every shot we’ve taken in the playoffs since 2022, to me it looks like we live between the circles and generate next to nothing from distance.

I’m pretty bored of watching Tavares shovel pucks into pads personally, would be nice to have more than 2 players that are even remotely a threat from the circles.

For comparison’s sake, Berube’s cup run Blues had significantly less of their goals from in tight and did most of their damage from the slot and out in just about every series. The only series we won was the one where we barely did anything in tight and abused them from the point and circles.

I’m not saying don’t go to the net but I’m not seeing how it’s something we need to work on when it’s the only thing we’re doing good enough and the rest of the offensive zone might as well not exist for us.
 

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The Masters said:
You think he's the right choice? I think Brad has a real tough task to transform this team into a Berube type team. Going to take 2 off-seasons IMO
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Wasn't my first choice but there is definitely some work to do on G/D

Q / Sullivan / Cooper never became available.
 
Martin Skoula said:
Can you back this up? Here’s a heat map of just about every shot we’ve taken in the playoffs since 2022, to me it looks like we live between the circles and generate next to nothing from distance.

I’m pretty bored of watching Tavares shovel pucks into pads personally, would be nice to have more than 2 players that are even remotely a threat from the circles.

For comparison’s sake, Berube’s cup run Blues had significantly less of their goals from in tight and did most of their damage from the slot and out in just about every series. The only series we won was the one where we barely did anything in tight and abused them from the point and circles.

I’m not saying don’t go to the net but I’m not seeing how it’s something we need to work on when it’s the only thing we’re doing good enough and the rest of the offensive zone might as well not exist for us.
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Whatever fits the narrative of them being a pathetic p***y ass team
 
Trelviving is probably doing due diligence on more candidates and wants to interview more people just so he can feel better about the hire.

I expect Berube to get hired by this weekend
 
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OVO16 said:
Trelviving is probably doing due diligence on more candidates and wants to interview more people just so he can feel better about the hire.

I expect Berube to get hired by this weekend
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Maybe he is hired and to pay respect to Dutchy passing today they will announce it tomorrow.

Am sure they will be a presser. A weekend presser is unlikely. Maybe Friday or Monday.
 
authentic said:
Whatever fits the narrative of them being a pathetic p***y ass team
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I don’t know why they can’t be both stupid and p***yes at the same time if the narrative is so important. You’re not going to get those epic gritty playoff bounces when there’s 5 Boston players collapsed to the net, you get them when you have threats they need to cover away from the net and your shooters can generate rebounds and deflections from distance that your garbagemen have time and space to convert instead of getting the puck and instantly eating lumber.

Why do we keep getting goalie’d? Must be because we’re not shoveling enough pucks at a 6’3 acrobats pads after he’s set and ready for it with D ready to clear out any 2nd attempts. No need to bother beating the goalie clean up high like we see our goalie get beat repeatedly every year, that’s non-playoff perimeter play.
 
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