Confirmed with Link: Sheldon Keefe Fired -- Discussion Thread

[ACC1224]

True, and may indeed be worth the gamble given the teams.currenr circumstances, but...

the problem is if he doesn't click it's essentially throwing away the next couple years

That could happen with anyone they brought in.

 

[JKG33]

I'm genuinely curious, do people think that putting more pressure on the team and treating them worse will lead to more success?

Also, do people think free agents will want to come here more if we treat our current players worse?

I see no benefit to making our current players uncomfortable.

Because coddling them and caving to every demand has worked so well these last 5 years?

When proven winners like ROR and Schenn are running away after 2 months with this group, you know there's a problem.

 

[CincoHolio]

I also thought that if he takes a lower paying job, the Leafs are on the hook to pay the difference.

So say he made what 1.5 with the leafs, and sighs with PIT for 1... the Leafs own him 500k for the length of his Leafs contract.

I could be making that all up

Dubas for sure signs him for 1 dollar.

 

[socko]

The issue with Gallant for me is that he seems to get figured out after a year or two and then his teams quit on him.

That goes all the way back to Gerry's playing career. Lacked creativity. There was never any doubt if he was going to shoot the puck. He was.

 

[BrannigansLaw]

Wow, that is about as professional as you can get. Humble, gracious, vulnerable, and responsible. Any dads (or moms!) out there, show this one to your kids.

Only person in this organization that took any real responsibility.

The core of this team is pathetic.

 

[yubbers]

It’s been scary just how deluded Leaf mgmt has been, I swear my dead grandmother knows more about hockey than these clowns…….

It was all so obvious.

But we live in weird times where common sense is scarce

 

[HockeyVirus]

People who think he is a terrible coach IMO have bad opinions about hockey. But it was time to make some changes.

If we don't change the core this move makes no sense though

 

[yubbers]

Only person in this organization that took any real responsibility.

The core of this team is pathetic.

Easy to read your scripted exit video from your PR guy when you're out.

He didn't take accountability while Coach ever

 

[Menzinger]

That could happen with anyone they brought in.

Again, true. But Gallant has flamed out three teams in a row, seems the odds are higher with him

 

[wingman75]

I'm genuinely curious, do people think that putting more pressure on the team and treating them worse will lead to more success?

Also, do people think free agents will want to come here more if we treat our current players worse?

I see no benefit to making our current players uncomfortable.

I don't believe that is the idea. But it certainly feels like they need to take some responsibility and ownership of their failures. The only one who provided sane comments were Rielly and Keefe.

A lot of their comments were asinine, regarding being right there or close. A new voice needs to set them straight. Someone who can see through the bullshit.

I don't believe anyone needs to be angry, or a yeller or any of that... but we need someone who will hold the players accountable for their play, game in, game out to build to a peak in the playoffs.

I think Keefe without Dubas might have been able to do that... but he was neutered from the start.

 

[mikeyz]

Keefe already looks 5 years younger. Lol.

 

[Incognito]

Classy stuff from Keefe.

No excuses, just pure class. Many within this organization should take notes.

 

[yubbers]

People who think he is a terrible coach IMO have bad opinions about hockey. But it was time to make some changes.

If we don't change the core this move makes no sense though

So a 5% playoff PP is what? Good coaching?

 

[57 Years No Cup]

I agree completely.

Bluntly: 'this is the 3rd person whose job you've cost. Thoughts?"

Knowing this media though, and the sorts of embarrassing questions asked on Monday, I highly doubt anyone would be willing to ask anything that makes anyone remotely uncomfortable or building up of a sweat

Yup. The so-called "toxic" Toronto media would be asking hard hitting questions like "Hey Mitch how's your new puppy" or "Matty, what's your favourite ice cream and where did you get that fabulous man purse"...

 

[Notsince67]

People who think he is a terrible coach IMO have bad opinions about hockey. But it was time to make some changes.

If we don't change the core this move makes no sense though

Nobody in the league moves on from great players before a coach. It makes all the sense in the world.

 

[yubbers]

No excuses, just pure class. Many within this organization should take notes.

Take what notes?

How do get fired in Muskoka?

 

[HockeyVirus]

If that is true and the candidates are Berube, Todd McClellan or Jay Woodcroft none of these coaches are better than Keefe. Disappointed.

 

[HogTown06]

Classy exit indeed. It was never about Keefe the person though and 100% about Keefe the coach.

Truth is he was often out-coached and had some downright crazy ideas for line-ups at times.

Also wishing him all the best but can't say I'm sad he's gone and we'll get a clean slated coachwise.

Ps: Looks like a beautiful sunny day in Toronto.

 

[notbias]

It went to arbitration.

You've been wrong for 8 years. Lol

He was busy letting Hyman walk so he could lock up campbell.

How did they get to arbitration?

Washington didn't extend a qualifying offer, therefore he never had the chance to go to arbitration.

Want to find in the CBA where a player can force a team to sign them through arbitration without extending a qualifying offer?

If it exists, it is news to me, but Treliving extended a QO, and Samsanov didn't accept it, so it led to arbitration.

Not sure if this is just too complex or you are this ignorant, but you are wrong.

 

[HockeyVirus]

So a 5% playoff PP is what? Good coaching?

On the players. Same story every year.

Nobody in the league moves on from great players before a coach. It makes all the sense in the world.

The core is the constant. It is obvious this is where change is needed.

 

[Rare Jewel]

Keefe already looks 5 years younger. Lol.

It's all about the lighting.

 

[rumman]

It went to arbitration.

You've been wrong for 8 years. Lol

He was busy letting Hyman walk so he could lock up campbell.

Every time I see Hyman burying goals it pisses me off, let exactly what this teams needs to walk because he wasn’t sexy enough……..

 

[wingman75]

I agree completely.

Bluntly: 'this is the 3rd person whose job you've cost. Thoughts?"

Knowing this media though, and the sorts of embarrassing questions asked on Monday, I highly doubt anyone would be willing to ask anything that makes anyone remotely uncomfortable or building up of a sweat

Sadly, the only person who would ask that is Simmons. And he would be shunned by the MLSE cronies who act like actual reporters (some of them are actually pretty good lol). How can you honestly report on a team when you are employed by the team's owners? So we have the Star and the Sun and some independents.

 

[Rare Jewel]

If that is true and the candidates are Berube, Todd McClellan or Jay Woodcroft none of these coaches are better than Keefe. Disappointed.

Who do you think is better?

 

[Ianturnedbull]

Many people on this very board had early concerns after what they saw in the CBJ play-in series.

GTFO and don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.