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As a player, PLD was good here. Most of us would have been happy to throw an 8 year contract at him at the time.
Post-Game Talk: Blues 7 - Jets 2, Jets lead series 2-1
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PhilJets
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Oilers pouring it on the Kings..
Getting inside their zone like its nothing.
2nd goal on Kuemper?
Good goal or bad goal for the goalie?
Getting inside their zone like its nothing.
2nd goal on Kuemper?
Good goal or bad goal for the goalie?
MardyBum
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Come onnnn no yellow jersey at practice today.
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Team needs a jolt for sure after last game. Vilardi and Melo back in the lineup. Regroup and play the game that got us here. We need to shore up these road matchups, get our PK in order, play disciplined and win at least 1 of these away games go back to the Peg and finish it.
So do 30 other teams
Yeah, if he was into being here, I would have been very happy with him staying.
FlyerNutter
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The loyalty to a guy that has had them move past the first round twice since 2011 is weird to me. That’s a piss poor performance.
Chipman is loyal to him to a fault.
They are up 2-1, against a good team - but if somehow they get blown out again in the first round, to blame the players will be a lazy excuse.
All while continuing to give the architect a free ride. Chevy is incredibly overrated.
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Sorry man but I think you're living in an alternate reality.
Do the other 31 teams and see where the Jets rank in performance, and then apply the Winnipeg tax.
This isn't NHL 25
FlyerNutter
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Can disagree that’s okay with me, no hurt feelings.
My standards are a hell of a lot higher than what Chevy has provided this team since 2011. Two times they have advanced beyond the first round since that time.
That’s pathetic, especially with a decent talent base.
How is that Chevys fault? He's not controlling the players?
He's purposefully gone out and gotten the team help year after year. The players have to play the f***ing games.
He tried to get a 2C at the deadline but the prices were stupid. Would you prefer he decimate our future to get a guy who may (or likely won't) push the needle?
Look at our previous acquisitions. Only Statsny really had a measurable positive effect on the team.
He went and got a 2C and another top 6 winger last year and what did they do to get the other 20 players playing playoff hockey.
So, since you think Chevy has done such a poor job, what would YOU have done to turn it around? Please be specific.
FlyerNutter
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A GM assembles a team. To blame the players when it’s largely been the same group for years, is something I won’t do when it’s one man who controls the makeup of said roster.
To ask someone “what would you have done”, and provide specific examples when knowingly nobody other than a GM can know the conversations NHL managers have is an intriguing strategy. I’ll provide a couple of names though that could have been targets instead of pretending Lowry, or Namestnikov were adequate solutions.
Nelson, and Cozens were both moved recently. The 2C hole has been a half assed patchwork job for years, so if you’d like me to go back 5 years to every possible candidate I can do that when I have some more time - but it’s not going to prove the point you are trying to make, rather it will do so mine.
Again, if you feel two advancements past the first round in approx 15 years is good enough? I can’t argue there. Chipman treats the management group like a country club - with jobs retained based on relationship rather than performance.
They were a top team in the regular season but the 2C hole was a red flag, and has been for a while. To fail to continuously address that - and see the team struggle to generate is frustrating. It was predictable, and he’s ignored it.
A contention window doesn’t last forever.
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Already been established that Jets were in on Nelson at the TDL and offered up a competitive trade package, but he chose to waive for the Avs.
This is why it’s hard to play the woulda/shoulda/coulda game with team building, so many variables that come into play that are outside the GMs control.
This is why it’s hard to play the woulda/shoulda/coulda game with team building, so many variables that come into play that are outside the GMs control.
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Also have to point out that Brock Nelson isn’t exactly tearing down the world in Colorado since being acquired. Big goose egg in three playoff games…
FlyerNutter
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Most definitely. Hard to be pressed into “what should they have done specifically”, when one only knows the aftermath of trade negotiations - or Free Agency signings.
We are allowed to have a more nuanced take on things from a team building perspective.
He’s failed to address the 2C hole for a while now, and to essentially say he’s simply done his best - that’s not an excuse I personally will go with.
Again, they are up 2-1 - but the lack of a secondary skilled play driver through the middle of the ice is going to be a noose even if they are to advance past the Blues.
FlyerNutter
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Beyond first round picks, and Barlow, Lambert, and Yager?
Who would you have targeted to fill a glaring 2C hole say the last few years? Provide specifics.
The focal point of your statements are that you think Chevy has done a good enough job to build, and propel the team forward since being hired in 2011.
So be it I suppose, but I think a franchise should set higher expectations of their executives.
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He got PLD and the bastard wanted out of Winnipeg, what is Chevy supposed to do about that ? Chevy just put together the best team in the NHL while having one arm tied behind his back the whole time. The core of this President's trophy winning team were all drafted by Chevy. The series is 2-1, no need to panic yet .
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Why are you assuming that the other GMs would have moved those two guys for what Chevy was offering?
Couzens went for another similarly aged C, and Nelson went for a better prospect than we have (and he's playing like dogshit in Colorado)
If it's not fair for @Jet to ask you for specific things you'd have differently because you don't know what Chevy's options were/are, then why is it fair to criticize him if you don't know what moves he could have even pulled off?
I meant with DeMelo playing, like he did in the 1st 2 games that we won.
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Are we really doing an autopsy on a team that is just 3 games into the first round of the playoffs and leading 2-1? The team that was 4th overall last year and 1st overall this year? We’re really doing this? 
FlyerNutter
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No panic. I went to game 2, enjoyed myself thoroughly. Was a close game but the team performed well.
I’m also aware enough to know that a familiar theme of a lack of offensive depth through the middle is showing its head again - and will continue even if they age to beat the Blues.
It doesn’t get easier from here, and the general manager that’s been employed as if he’s a union head boss needs to face some accountability at some point.
FlyerNutter
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Are we really doing an autopsy on a team that is just 3 games into the first round of the playoffs and leading 2-1? The team that was 4th overall last year and 1st overall this year? We’re really doing this?
Looking forward to the regular season champions banner raising
The problem with trading away high draft picks and promising young prospects for veterans that may or may not get you over the hump is always about long term outlook. Which is something the GM of an NHL team in Winnipeg has to constantly keep in mind. Prospects offer control, vets on expiring contracts do not. Trading away the farm to take a crack at the hardest trophy to win in sports is always going to be a risk but doubly so when you are Winnipeg.
We don't always know what kind of conversations Chevy is having but it's always going to be tough when you are the most listed team on no trade lists. Chevy has done a decent job at getting us out of a pickle. Kane, Trouba, Laine, Copp, PLD. He navigated those situations pretty well, a job that I know for a fact a lot of other GM's would have botched hard. He has his gaffes as well but so far the positives have outweighed the negatives. He's put together a decent team and I don't think he was simply sitting on the sidelines this year. We know for a fact he's tried hard to get a number of players and been willing to make competitive offers but when those players simply do not want to go to Winnipeg there is only so much he can do. We were always going to be a draft and develop team first and foremost and that is what has gotten us to where we are. We draft and develop players and when they want out we trade them for players that will hopefully remain. Rinse and repeat. Selling the farm for rental vets is antithetical to that philosophy. Don't get me wrong I want Chevy to go out and get all the Stones and Nelsons, but I'm also realistic about our position in this league.
We only lost 1 game, we can come back and win this. We should get DeMelo back in the lineup, possibly Vilardi which will provide a jolt. Blues get last change on the road, we knew they would be hungry, just gotta win this next game and take it back to the Peg. No need to panic yet.
FlyerNutter
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It’s fair for me to question Chevy based off the lack of post season success since 2011.
NHL general managers are rarely employed for such a period, and the team’s post season performance does not warrant such level of unwavering loyalty.
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