Shea Theodore Out Until Playoffs

[K1984]

I don't see the issue, Vegas isn't breaking any rules.

They either are breaking rules, or it's a freak coincidence that every single season they have an expensive player that has an injury heal at the precise date of the first day of the playoffs.

Not a week before, not a week after, the exact date of Game 1 they are ready. 3 years in a row.

So yes, odds are they are breaking rules, but nobody at the league office is at all interested in doing anything about it.

 

[TLEH]

It’s just taking advantage of the rules. I actually don’t like it and I wish they’d find a way to get rid of this, but in a super hard cap league people will always pull every string they can.

 

[Canadienna]

They either are breaking rules, or it's a freak coincidence that every single season they have an expensive player that has an injury heal at the precise date of the first day of the playoffs.

Not a week before, not a week after, the exact date of Game 1 they are ready. 3 years in a row.

So yes, odds are they are breaking rules, but nobody at the league office is at all interested in doing anything about it.

There is no requirement that when an injured player becomes healthy, they immediately are placed on the active roster from LTIR.

I myself believed the opposite, until a while ago in one of these threads someone posted actual evidence from the CBA/Rulebook.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

...Chicago did it; won Cups...Tampa did it; won Cups...Vegas did it; won a Cup...now they want more...

 

[K1984]

There is no requirement that when an injured player becomes healthy, they immediately are placed on the active roster from LTIR.

I myself believed the opposite, until a while ago in one of these threads someone posted actual evidence from the CBA/Rulebook.

There is no requirement they need to be placed on the active roster, but they are not eligible to be on LTIR such that cap space continues to accrue if they are healthy and fit to play.

If a guy is 100% healthy on April 1st they can't just keep him on LTIR until Game 1 three weeks later.

BTW - would be happy to be proven wrong, but I'm nearly dead certain this is the case.

 

[McShogun99]

Death, taxes and a Golden Knight with a big contract going on LTIR until the playoffs are the certainties of life.

 

[Nikolajs Sillers]

Coming here to read comments

 

[Canadienna]

There is no requirement they need to be placed on the active roster, but they are not eligible to be on LTIR such that cap space continues to accrue if they are healthy and fit to play.

If a guy is 100% healthy on April 1st they can't just keep him on LTIR until Game 1 three weeks later.

BTW - would be happy to be proven wrong, but I'm nearly dead certain this is the case.

I believe you are wrong. I also would be willing to see evidence to the contrary.

This has been hashed out before, but never addressed specifically by anyone at the league.

The relevant section is Article 50.10 d) iv) Page 290 of the CBA.

There is a requirement that a player must be deemed unfit to play to be placed on LTIR, and a requirement that once the player is returned to the active roster, the team must be cap compliant.

But there is no restriction on a team regarding when they are required to return a fit to play player to the active roster.

From that section

"A Club may then exceed the Upper Limit due to the addition of replacement Player Salary and Bonuses of Players who have replaced an unfit-to-play Player, provided, however, that when the unfit-to-play Player is once again fit to play, the Club shall be required to once again reduce its Averaged Club Salary to a level at or below the Upper Limit prior to the Player being able to rejoin the Club."

Note that they specifically mention that when a player is once again fit to play, the team must become cap compliant before they can bring him back. NOT that the team must bring him back immediately, or are not cap compliant the moment he becomes fit to play.

 

[K1984]

I believe you are wrong. I also would be willing to see evidence to the contrary.

This has been hashed out before, but never addressed specifically by anyone at the league.

The relevant section is Article 50.10 d) iv) Page 290 of the CBA.

There is a requirement that a player must be deemed unfit to play to be placed on LTIR, and a requirement that once the player is returned to the active roster, the team must be cap compliant.

But there is no restriction on a team regarding when they are required to return a fit to play player to the active roster.

From that section

"A Club may then exceed the Upper Limit due to the addition of replacement Player Salary and Bonuses of Players who have replaced an unfit-to-play Player, provided, however, that when the unfit-to-play Player is once again fit to play, the Club shall be required to once again reduce its Averaged Club Salary to a level at or below the Upper Limit prior to the Player being able to rejoin the Club."

Note that they specifically mention that when a player is once again fit to play, the team must become cap compliant before they can bring him back. NOT that the team must bring him back immediately, or are not cap compliant the moment he becomes fit to play.

The section you cited doesn’t say anything about being on the active roster. If they are fit to play the team must be cap compliant.

You can not be on an active roster and still be subject to the salary cap.

 

[canuckslover10]

Brad Marchand to Vegas.

 

[Zirakzigil]

Vegas be like:

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

Vegas be like:

...George Peppard was the MAN!!...

 

[gstommylee]

So change the rules: If a player is on LTIR within 30 days before the first day of the playoffs they are ineligible to return until the 2nd round.

Will teams abuse it...probably. But they'll really have to think about it now (to say nothing about the player who is ok with taking time off in the regular season but wants to be there in the playoffs)

Union would never approve of that.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

Union would never approve of that.

...just make the Cap count for the FULL season - including Playoffs...but no one wants that...so it's not gonna change...

 

[gstommylee]

They either are breaking rules, or it's a freak coincidence that every single season they have an expensive player that has an injury heal at the precise date of the first day of the playoffs.

Not a week before, not a week after, the exact date of Game 1 they are ready. 3 years in a row.

So yes, odds are they are breaking rules, but nobody at the league office is at all interested in doing anything about it.

You can't LTIR just for the sake of doing so. The league has to sign off on it. If there were actually rule breaking and the league discovered that the team is misusing it the league will punish the team. So you can't say the league just will ignore it.

 

[WhataKnight]

Calm down folks - Kempe isn’t the MVP of the 2nd Knights Cup clinch yet….

 

[57special]

"I don't see the issue, Vegas isn't breaking any rules."

Chuck Fletcher, 2012

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

 

[Nogatco Rd]

You'd be stupid not too. And most people here are just salty their favorite team's GM is too stupid

Really grateful my favorite team broke through without needing to exploit that loophole. Would never hear the end of it if that was the way Ovi & the caps finally won.. same with Toronto’s core 4

 

[Jayevs]

That’s a big hit to my fantasy team

 

[crowi]

One day, a disgruntled player (who got dumped by vegas) will make a fuss about being pressured to stay on LTIR by the team for cap savings.

Oh yea, surely, one day....

 

[Matty Sundin]

Theadore is a walking bandaid so not suprised

 

[crowi]

"I believe you are wrong. I also would be willing to see evidence to the contrary."-person who keeps on going, I certainly don't care enough.

I hope Theodore gets better but it's suspicious as always when Knights players go on LTIR.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

No, I think you can replace "Are too cowardly" with "Have too much integrity".


#1 is briliant, you would think Bettman and his cronies could figure this out...Inexcusable that you run the NHL and cannot figure this out.

Integrity doesn't win championships, but Vegas does

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

They either are breaking rules, or it's a freak coincidence that every single season they have an expensive player that has an injury heal at the precise date of the first day of the playoffs.

Not a week before, not a week after, the exact date of Game 1 they are ready. 3 years in a row.

So yes, odds are they are breaking rules, but nobody at the league office is at all interested in doing anything about it.

If every team is allowed to do it, and they are then Vegas isn't breaking any rules.

Even if they were who cares it works.

But since every team is allowed to do it they aren't.

I'm surprised they haven't been defering money when doing contract extensions.

That would be a Vegas thing to do but Carolina did it first, then Toronto did it with McCabe.

So far Vegas hasn't done it which surprises me.