Proposal: Shattenkirk to NYR

[One Winged Angel]

It's crazy to think that Shattenkirk wouldn't help. Obviously there are other moves that need to be made to further help the cause, but I'd definitely be happy getting Shatty as a UFA next year.

 

[bleedblue1223]

Is saying that it doesn't make sense to trade one of our few good young players for a defenseman who really makes no difference for us? He's a great player, but the Rangers with or without Shattenkirk are a bubble playoff team, but certainly not a contender.

The Rangers with or without Shattenkirk will be the worst team in the Metro within 3 years.

Lets not act like that's how HF Rangers view Kreider, or at least a good portion of it.

 

[Section32]

Rangers fans overrate Kreider like Blues fans overrated Perron.

No they don't.

The ranger fan knows what Kreider is.

It is the potential that he still possesses that gives us pause in trading him.

IF he ever put it all together, he would be a monster. He has shown flashes of it.

It is not overrating- like saying the Blues wouldn't trade a a top prospect for any Ranger including McD- that is overrating and a bit delusional.

Kreider is worth the chance he turns out unless it is a very lopsided offer.

 

[gump116]

Would Nash and Klein for Shattenkirk be fair? Klein can replace Shattenkirk on the second pair (not nearly as good, but fills the spot) and is underpaid by about 2M which offsets some of Nash's high salary.

 

[bleedblue1223]

No they don't.

The ranger fan knows what Kreider is.

It is the potential that he still possesses that gives us pause in trading him.

IF he ever put it all together, he would be a monster. He has shown flashes of it.

It is not overrating- like saying the Blues wouldn't trade a a top prospect for any Ranger including McD- that is overrating and a bit delusional.

Kreider is worth the chance he turns out unless it is a very lopsided offer.

Streaky players don't just stop being streaky, that's the problem. Every fanbase overrates the players that have very high physical gifts.

Players that have become high impact players on their NHL teams are not prospects.

 

[SteenMachine]

Would Nash and Klein for Shattenkirk be fair? Klein can replace Shattenkirk on the second pair (not nearly as good, but fills the spot) and is underpaid by about 2M which offsets some of Nash's high salary.

We can just start with the fact that it is impossible for the Blues to take on Nash's contract when they need to re-sign Schwartz.

 

[Dbrownss]

Would Nash and Klein for Shattenkirk be fair? Klein can replace Shattenkirk on the second pair (not nearly as good, but fills the spot) and is underpaid by about 2M which offsets some of Nash's high salary.

No and Blues don't need a replacment. That's the sole reason they are looking to move Shattenkirk. Colton Parayko is taking the 2nd pairing spot and 3rd pairing will be Bortuzzo

 

[bleedblue1223]

Would Nash and Klein for Shattenkirk be fair? Klein can replace Shattenkirk on the second pair (not nearly as good, but fills the spot) and is underpaid by about 2M which offsets some of Nash's high salary.

Can't take the cap, and doubt we have much interest in either piece.

 

[Machinehead]

I love Shattenkirk but I have very little interest in moving top 6 forwards for a player AV is going to play on our 3rd pair. Fire the clown behind the bench first, and we'll talk.

 

[Celtic Note]

No and Blues don't need a replacment. That's the sole reason they are looking to move Shattenkirk. Colton Parayko is taking the 2nd pairing spot and 3rd pairing will be Bortuzzo

I most certainly would like to see a replacement that is better than Bortuzzo, but that can be found for cheap via FA or trade.

 

[Evocable Manager]

I'd rather it be Stepan than Kreider. He is more of a need and probably a better player.

 

[JT Kreider]

I'd rather it be Stepan than Kreider. He is more of a need and probably a better player.

If we're trading Stepan it's to get younger.

Shattenkirk does nothing for the Rangers. But to be fair there are very few players who do anything for us.

 

[Evocable Manager]

If we're trading Stepan it's to get younger.

Shattenkirk does nothing for the Rangers. But to be fair there are very few players who do anything for us.

I can understand that, thought maybe with Brassard and some other guys like Miller and Hayes it might be an option. It's 2C for #2/3D both probably a 6.5M cap hit so I thought it might work. I can see why the Rangers would not wanna move Stepan.

 

[Dbrownss]

I most certainly would like to see a replacement that is better than Bortuzzo, but that can be found for cheap via FA or trade.

He'll be on the 3rd paring playing 10-15min a night. I'm fine with Bortuzzo.


Either way...OT. back on topic, no realistic trade with the Rangers. The players we'd want are worth more then 1yr of Shattenkirk, and if he's willing to sign an extension...just wait till next year. Rangers ain't winning **** next year anyways. I'm sure this is why army wants a "done deal" before anyone can talk to him

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

No moves for Sahttenkirk please, Blues will be forced to take a discount and the NYR will have the opportunity to sign him next year without giving up assets if we ever figure out our muddled team direction

 

[Vatican Roulette]

Shattenkirk
Lehtera

For

Stepan
Klein

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Shattenkirk
Lehtera

For

Stepan
Klein

Nah, we'll wait it out....

 

[JT Kreider]

Shattenkirk
Lehtera

For

Stepan
Klein

This trade would accomplish nothing for us.

 

[bernmeister]

I love Shattenkirk but I have very little interest in moving top 6 forwards for a player AV is going to play on our 3rd pair. .Fire the clown behind the bench first, and we'll talk

never have I been more in total agreement w/you!

I can understand that, thought maybe with Brassard and some other guys like Miller and Hayes it might be an option. It's 2C for #2/3D both probably a 6.5M cap hit so I thought it might work. I can see why the Rangers would not wanna move Stepan.

rangers MUST move Stepan, he earns a NMC after this season, which is defeated with a trade which he cannot stop. That is unique to him on top of need to move vets for prospects, picks. Must consolidate to optimize strategy for protections re expansion draft

So pls feel free to suggest a Stepan to Blues deal w/out Kreider, Miller, skjei, McIlrath

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I can't wait to see Shattenkirk traded to any team that isn't us. I am so sick and tired of these proposals where we trade a roster player for 1 year of Shattenkirk.

If he really wants to play for us, as many are suggesting, he can show that by signing with us as a free agent. Not giving up a player for 1 year of Shattenkirk.

 

[Alluckks]

Stepan has more value than 1 year of Shattenkirk. Stepan might even have more value than an extended Shattenkirk at the same cap hit (as Stepan, 6.5 per).

 

[bleedblue1223]

Stepan has more value than 1 year of Shattenkirk. Stepan might even have more value than an extended Shattenkirk at the same cap hit (as Stepan, 6.5 per).

I wouldn't go that far. I'd say they are about the same value if contracts were equal. Any deal with Shattenkirk looks to be dependent on Shattenkirk signing an extension, that's why the teams would eventually get permission to talk with the agent and why a deal with the Oilers fell through.

 

[Guyute]

Why should the Rangers pay up for Shattenkirk when they could just wait it out until he hits free agency next summer? Sorry Blues fans, but Armstrong isn't in the driver seat here. You won't like the return unless you can get it from Boston, Montreal, etc.

 

[bleedblue1223]

Why should the Rangers pay up for Shattenkirk when they could just wait it out until he hits free agency next summer? Sorry Blues fans, but Armstrong isn't in the driver seat here. You won't like the return unless you can get it from Boston, Montreal, etc.

It's no guarantee that Shattenkirk will sign with the Rangers as a UFA.

 

[LetsGoBLUES91]

What about then.......

Shattenkirk
Schwartz
A draft pick or, a prospect

For

Stepan
Kreider?

Whoa, this is coming from a Blues fan?!