Prospect Info: Sharks Prospect Info & Discussion Thread XX

[timorous me]

"All models are wrong, but some are useful" -- Wayne Gretzky

"You miss 100% of the models you don't make. -- Wayne Gretzky"
-- Michael Scott

 

[CaptainShark]

"You miss 100% of the models you don't make. -- Wayne Gretzky"
-- Michael Scott

„You miss 100% of the models you didn’t do“ Sean Avery

 

[hotcabbagesoup]

„You miss 100% of the models you didn’t do“ Sean Avery

Sean Avery was so unlikeable, that reputation of his, yuck

 

[themelkman]

Sean Avery was so unlikeable, that reputation of his, yuck

Movie star Sean Avery? Star of the hit movie Oppenheimer?

 

[The Nemesis]

I mentioned this in the pre-draft thread but over the next week or so I plan on ending this thread nad starting a fresh XXI/21st iteration so that we can have some better front-end material about the prospect pool and also not have this thing be a daunting nearly 5k posts long. So you might want to consider that if you have any plans on adding any lengthy or significant material to this thread around the draft.

 

[LadyStanley]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1807497940807868558

 

[Patty Ice]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1807497940807868558

Decent list.

I'm swapping Mukh and Musty and inserting Edstrom in between Halttunen and Cagnoni.

 

[Hodge]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1807497940807868558

Did he forget about Edstrom?

 

[Patty Ice]

Did he forget about Edstrom?

No he has him as an honorable mention.

 

[Hodge]

No he has him as an honorable mention.

Bizarre. I get that his upside isn't as high but Edstrom is probably our biggest lock to have a long NHL career after Celebrini, Smith and Dickinson.

 

[timorous me]

Bizarre. I get that his upside isn't as high but Edstrom is probably our biggest lock to have a long NHL career after Celebrini, Smith and Dickinson.

I can see ranking him below Bystedt because Filip's been over here briefly and got his taste of the AHL already, but yeah, I like Edstrom and agree that he looks like he's got a very good shot to have a long career, probably as a bottom six center (which can still be very valuable).

 

[Alaskanice]

Decent list.

I'm swapping Mukh and Musty and inserting Edstrom in between Halttunen and Cagnoni.

I’d say it’s more than decent. Some of these guys can go down in Sharks history.
I see it as an exciting list.

 

[Patty Ice]

I’d say it’s more than decent. Some of these guys can go down in Sharks history.
I see it as an exciting list.

I meant his ranking of them. This is our deepest, most talented pool in Sharks history.

 

[Alaskanice]

I meant his ranking of them. This is our deepest, most talented pool in Sharks history.

Clarity is a beautiful thing.

 

[The Nemesis]

Mildly interesting/significantly dorky tease for some of the prospect thread redesign material I'm working on:

The average Sharks prospect is just about 21 years old, stands 6 feet and 1 1/2 inches tall, and weighs almost 191 pounds. They would probably be Canadian, played amateur in the WHL or OHL, and would've been drafted around 2022 somewhere in range of the 104th pick.

In other words, your closest-to-the-average Sharks prospect is Ganon Laroque (6'2, 201, a month and a half from his 21st birthday, from Alberta and the WHL where he was selected 103rd overall in 2021)

This is mostly from me just eyeballing it on those values because I have better things to do than do super deep data/fit analysis.

If you broke the prospect pool down by position (LW, C, RW, LD, RD, G) to rank them:
1) By average height (high-> low) it's: G, LW, LD, RD, C, RW
2) By average weight (high-> low) it's: LW, LD, RD, RW, G, C
3) By age (oldest to youngest) it's: G, RW, C, LD, LW, RD

This is somewhat skewed by the fact that only 3 players are listed as LWs (Afanasyev, Chernyshov, and Musty)


Your "most average" starting lineup by height/weight/age combo would be:

Quentin Musty - Cam Lund - Collin Graf
Jake Furlong - Ganon Laroque
Christian Kirsch

Tim Burke can also rest easy because more American Shark prospects come from Massachusetts than any other state, and Mass kids are the second largest state/province group among North Americans behind only Canadians from Ontario.

I will have a lot more where this came from when I get around to making the new prospect thread. Hopefully in a week or two depending on how much spare time I have to tinker with it after this weekend.

 

[OrrNumber4]

This is mostly from me just eyeballing it on those values because I have better things to do than do super deep data/fit analysis.

I've heard a lot of nonsense on this website, but this probably takes the cake

 

[LadyStanley]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1808195380531843455

Dickinson

https://x.com/i/web/status/1808198313788805609

 

[Mr Fahrenheit]

Is Ratzlaf the love child of Corey Perry and Ryan Getzlaf?

 

[Friday]

Is Ratzlaf the love child of Corey Perrty and Ryan Getzlaf?

That's all I saw when I read that name haha

 

[tiburon12]

I'm curious to see where our prospect pool ranks come the pre-season. And even more curious to compare this year's rankings to last year's and the two previous year's.

GMMG has done some incredible work erasing years of mismanagement in short time.

 

[gaucholoco3]

Sharks were top 5 in the spring before Celebrini. You could make the argument they have the 2 best players not in the NHL.

I think it has to be #1 before the season starts.

 

[Juxtaposer]

I'm curious to see where our prospect pool ranks come the pre-season. And even more curious to compare this year's rankings to last year's and the two previous year's.

GMMG has done some incredible work erasing years of mismanagement in short time.

#1, absolutely no doubt in my mind. We have the #1 and #3 best prospects in hockey, an extremely high end defense prospect, and a top-10 filled with guys with serious shots at being impact players.

It’s absolutely insane that Grier added Celebini, Smith, Dickinson, Musty, Mukhamadullin, Edstrom, Chernyshov, and Halttunen to the prospect pool in the span of like literally 16 months. I didn’t even think about how nuts that was until today when I was considering how everyone in the group was acquired.

March 2023: Mukhamadullin
June 2023: Smith, Musty, Halttunen
March 2024: Edstrom
June 2024: Celebrini, Dickinson, Chernyshov
June 2025: another top-5 pick, potentially another top-15 pick, and another 33-35 overall pick

Just disgusting.

 

[Jargon]

#1, absolutely no doubt in my mind. We have the #1 and #3 best prospects in hockey, an extremely high end defense prospect, and a top-10 filled with guys with serious shots at being impact players.

It’s absolutely insane that Grier added Celebini, Smith, Dickinson, Musty, Mukhamadullin, Edstrom, Chernyshov, and Halttunen to the prospect pool in the span of like literally 16 months. I didn’t even think about how nuts that was until today when I was considering how everyone in the group was acquired.

March 2023: Mukhamadullin
June 2023: Smith, Musty, Halttunen
March 2024: Edstrom
June 2024: Celebrini, Dickinson, Chernyshov
June 2025: another top-5 pick, potentially another top-15 pick, and another 33-35 overall pick

Just disgusting.

It’s completely insane. Just looking at the dev camp player list, it doesn’t feel real. I was sure we’d be getting Solberg/Eiserman/MBN and a defensive defenseman with our 2nd this year. Coming out with Dickinson and Cherynshov AND Wallenius (arguably 3, maybe 4 1st talents?) is just wild.

This is easily the best list of prospects the Sharks have ever had and it’s not even close.

 

[Lebanezer]

#1, absolutely no doubt in my mind. We have the #1 and #3 best prospects in hockey, an extremely high end defense prospect, and a top-10 filled with guys with serious shots at being impact players.

It’s absolutely insane that Grier added Celebini, Smith, Dickinson, Musty, Mukhamadullin, Edstrom, Chernyshov, and Halttunen to the prospect pool in the span of like literally 16 months. I didn’t even think about how nuts that was until today when I was considering how everyone in the group was acquired.

March 2023: Mukhamadullin
June 2023: Smith, Musty, Halttunen
March 2024: Edstrom
June 2024: Celebrini, Dickinson, Chernyshov
June 2025: another top-5 pick, potentially another top-15 pick, and another 33-35 overall pick

Just disgusting.

I'd like to give a tip of the cap to the scouting department as well.

 

[OrrNumber4]

It’s completely insane. Just looking at the dev camp player list, it doesn’t feel real. I was sure we’d be getting Solberg/Eiserman/MBN and a defensive defenseman with our 2nd this year. Coming out with Dickinson and Cherynshov AND Wallenius (arguably 3, maybe 4 1st talents?) is just wild.

This is easily the best list of prospects the Sharks have ever had and it’s not even close.

Because of Celebrini, perhaps. But there have definitely been years with better lists.