Prospect Info: Sharks Prospect Info & Discussion Megathread XXI: "New, improved, and wayyyy too much info" Edition

[Juxtaposer]

That’s a fun comp. Nice to have the real Ryane Clowe here to give tips too.

I hesitated to make it because I really don't want to get people's hopes up to much. But I think if Chernyshov hits that's the kind of player he can be.

 

[Kcoyote3]

Timo was faster, smaller, and had a better shot. I also doubt Chernyshov achieves the play-driving and defensive impact Meier did in his prime.

Not to get everyone overhyped and drooling from the mouth, but I almost want to say semi-prime Ryane Clowe without the mean streak is a better comp. Physical playmaking power winger with slightly heavy feet. What I'm most interesting in seeing in Chernyshov's development this year is for him to really impose his will physically on OHLers. He's got the body for it, he just needs the confidence, which I suspect he'll gain with more experience.

Supposedly at some point Grier mentioned that Chernyshov can skate like the wind? Maybe it is a misattribution to a different prospect. Anyways, I don't think I've seen that from him so far. Like you said the feet feel a little heavy. Maybe it's just a conditioning thing though.

 

[Juxtaposer]

Supposedly at some point Grier mentioned that Chernyshov can skate like the wind? Maybe it is a misattribution to a different prospect. Anyways, I don't think I've seen that from him so far. Like you said the feet feel a little heavy. Maybe it's just a conditioning thing though.

It could be conditioning, but I also think that NHL people describe skating in a very funky and inconsistent way.

Ottawa's GM said that Yakemchuk was an elite skater, when he objectively is a bad skater with terrible agility and pivots who happens to have good top speed when he gets going. Chernyshov does have good speed once he gets going, but the acceleration isn't great. So perhaps Grier is describing his top speed.

Mechanically, Chernyshov's skating looks fine to me, so he could probably add some explosiveness with proper gym time and adult strength.

 

[Jargon]

One reason why Misa interests me is that we don’t really have any burners. Mack is fast and so relentless, he achieves the same results. Eklund is more quick than fast, I’d say. Smith is slow as molasses. I’d love a really fast top 6 guy.

 

[Juxtaposer]

One reason why Misa interests me is that we don’t really have any burners. Mack is fast and so relentless, he achieves the same results. Eklund is more quick than fast, I’d say. Smith is slow as molasses. I’d love a really fast top 6 guy.

Same here. Skating hasn't been a priority for Grier-drafted forwards. Celebrini was a given, but Smith, Musty, Halttunen, Lund, Bystedt, and Chernyshov are all average (Bystedt and Lund) or below average (the rest).

 

[Lebanezer]

@Juxtaposer, what are the realistic timelines for the top of this draft becoming impact players in the NHL?

 

[Juxtaposer]

@Juxtaposer, what are the realistic timelines for the top of this draft becoming impact players in the NHL?

Is it lazy to say "they all could play depth roles in the NHL next year but it wouldn't be a good idea and D+2 is probably the right call"?

Schaefer: Could force himself onto a bad roster (like the Sharks) on merit of being one of the six best defensemen we have, but would probably be better suited to play a full season in the OHL as an 18 year old.

Hagens: Should do another season in the NCAA and dominate before he signs an NHL contract.

Misa and Martone are trickier because they don't have anything to learn from the OHL and need a new challenge. One year in the NCAA makes sense for Misa. Not sure about Martone except that I don't think another year in the OHL would benefit him (like Musty).

 

[OrrNumber4]

Defensemen take time to develop...that'd be my issue with taking Schaefer since it's possible that he hits his stride at the wrong time.

 

[wishman]

Looks like Igor missed today’s game. Hopefully just precautionary since they were playing in back to back games.

 

[Star Platinum]

 

[jMoneyBrah]

Defensemen take time to develop...that'd be my issue with taking Schaefer since it's possible that he hits his stride at the wrong time.

I’m sorry, but in what world does Schaefer hit his stride at the wrong time? If Grier sees Schaefer as a future #1D, I suspect he’ll take him regardless of whatever timeline it takes for him to hit stride. Even if it takes him ‘til his D+5 year that still puts him in the NHL when Celebrini is 23/24. Oh no, can’t contend with that aging core…

Out of curiosity, what kind of minuscule window are you suggesting is the right time for our prospects to hit their stride before it becomes “the wrong time”?

 

[Star Platinum]

 

[Barrie22]

So 29 points already for musty

 

[Hodge]

So 29 points already for musty

Lower points per game than last season. Another red flag.

 

[Star Platinum]

Lower points per game than last season. Another red flag.

Quentin Busty

 

[sharks_dynasty]

Lower points per game than last season. Another red flag.

Didn’t he just come back from injury? And wasn’t he up with the Sharks at the beginning of the season where he was told to focus on being defensively responsible? We already know he can score, so what exactly does that prove at this point?

 

[Hodge]

Didn’t he just come back from injury? And wasn’t he up with the Sharks at the beginning of the season where he was told to focus on being defensively responsible? We already know he can score, so what exactly does that prove at this point?

It just makes it more likely that he and the whole Sudbury team ran hot last season and his CHL-leading points per game rate didn't reflect his true talent level. If his game has improved away from the puck that's a good sign obviously but at the end of the day his only path to a NHL career is to become productive enough to play top six.

 

[one2gamble]

but at the end of the day his only path to a NHL career is to become productive enough to play top six.

I mean its not, Musty playing a bottom six role is an effort/attitude question.

Will he change, unlikely, but his frame would be fine.

 

[Star Platinum]

Didn’t he just come back from injury? And wasn’t he up with the Sharks at the beginning of the season where he was told to focus on being defensively responsible? We already know he can score, so what exactly does that prove at this point?

He was up for a short while in the preseason, but no regular season action

 

[Saskatoon]

He was up for a short while in the preseason, but no regular season action

He didn't look good in the preseason either

Not that you should have realistically expected him too though

He just isn't a surefire hit that his D+1 production made us hopeful for

 

[Hodge]

I mean its not, Musty playing a bottom six role is an effort/attitude question.

Will he change, unlikely, but his frame would be fine.

If Musty seemed capable of using his frame effectively he'd be a much more exciting prospect.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

If Musty seemed capable of using his frame effectively he'd be a much more exciting prospect.

It might be something he develops after he turns pro. Probably won’t but if he does, it improves his odds of making it.

 

[one2gamble]

If Musty seemed capable of using his frame effectively he'd be a much more exciting prospect.

I don't think he's in a position that forces him to do that

 

[timorous me]

It just makes it more likely that he and the whole Sudbury team ran hot last season and his CHL-leading points per game rate didn't reflect his true talent level. If his game has improved away from the puck that's a good sign obviously but at the end of the day his only path to a NHL career is to become productive enough to play top six.

If it weren't for the holdout AND the injury, this might carry more weight, but as it is, it just feels like you're totally ignoring all context in an effort to push a narrative.

 

[timorous me]

I don't think he's in a position that forces him to do that

I feel like this is definitely true; Musty has gotten away with playing a certain game and style throughout his career so far, one which leads to a certain level of success at the time, but one that probably won't be entirely transferrable once he tries to make it in the big show. It's sort of an unfortunate aspect of the way things are now for kids, but alas, it is what it is.

I'm not going to write his obituary for that just yet. Let's get him to the f***ing pro game first and see how he adapts to that. He'll be just a little over 20 years old once he gets to the Barracuda in October. There's a ton of potential there and, while a lot of it is unrealized, or a lot of his game leaves you wanting, I don't get how some people are so quick to write him off when you look at the combination of skill and size and take into account the context of how he's been able to succeed up to this point in his career.