Prospect Info: Sharks Prospect Info & Discussion Megathread XXI: "New, improved, and wayyyy too much info" Edition

[Grinner]

I know I am going to jinx it, going into the third period, but maybe someone who has more experience with evaluating prospects can explain what I am seeing.

Everytime someone skates down the ice in transition, 1v1 or partial 2v1 along the boards against Cagnoni, it seems like it is a guaranteed turnover. He either rubs them out along the boards and takes the puck or blocks it in his skates as they try to cut back, and sends it the other way. He did it 3 or 4 times that last period (which sort of speaks to the teams issues, outshot 36-15 through 2) and I must have seen it over a dozen times this season.

Am I just noticing it more than usual because I am watching him more closely? Is this translatable to the NHL? I assume he couldn't do it to McDavid everytime, but is he just outclassing the AHL players that much as a defensive defensemen?

What is going on here?

 

[matt trick]

Dickinson is 5th in points per game in the OHL with 25 (10 goals) in 15. Misa (C), and three RWs Martone, Greentree, and 19 year old Rehkopf are ahead of him. He's also the top scorer on the Knights, who aren't like a total wagon (Niagara, Kitchener, Kingston, Windsor, and Saginaw score about the same). Leads the OHL in PP goals as well.

7th in goals per game behind Misa, Martone (both at 1G/G+), 19 year old Pinelli, He, Lardis, and Sennecke.

Parekh is 4th on Saginaw with 18 points in 16 games. Yakemchuk (WHL) has 15 in 14. Buium has 10 assists, no goals in 10 games.

I'm just stat watching, but still seems pretty exciting.

Schaefer (3rd) is just ahead of Parekh in points per game, with Dickinson and Marrelli (6'2 2024 3rd round RHD from CBJ) at #1 and 2. Schaefer is doing it on a lower scoring team- though they may become higher scoring with him back.

 

[Great Makohead Shork]

Another great breakdown video by Elite Prospects, this time featuring Celebrini:



Interesting comparison between Mack and Stutzle's motor and dynamic qualities.

 

[Juxtaposer]

Another great breakdown video by Elite Prospects, this time featuring Celebrini:



Interesting comparison between Mack and Stutzle's motor and dynamic qualities.

"Tim Stutzle except he actually cares about defense" would be a solid outcome. I think he can hit higher though.

 

[Munnyro]

Where are we at on Valtteri Pulli? His contract ends this season.

 

[TheBeard]

Where are we at on Valtteri Pulli? His contract ends this season.

Being 23, I really was hoping he'd have been healthy this season so we could have seen him get a rather large try-out on the big club before making a decision, but it's starting to look like he doesn't have much of a future with the organization. Who knows? Maybe he'll sign another one year look at the same 950K but I don't even know why the Sharks would bother at this point?

 

[OrrNumber4]

Celebrini...the Stutzle we deserve.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Being 23, I really was hoping he'd have been healthy this season so we could have seen him get a rather large try-out on the big club before making a decision, but it's starting to look like he doesn't have much of a future with the organization. Who knows? Maybe he'll sign another one year look at the same 950K but I don't even know why the Sharks would bother at this point?

We currently have 7 LHD's signed and assigned to the minors. The only guy internally that I see as a possibility to come in and be an LHD as well is probably Axel Landen. They may be able to carve out another year out of Pulli if they see something there but I don't know what they'd see personally. I'd let him go.

 

[mogambomoroo]

Another great breakdown video by Elite Prospects, this time featuring Celebrini:



Interesting comparison between Mack and Stutzle's motor and dynamic qualities.

He will be a top 5 player in NHL in 2-3 years.

 

[Star Platinum]

Another great breakdown video by Elite Prospects, this time featuring Celebrini:



Interesting comparison between Mack and Stutzle's motor and dynamic qualities.

The only thing I felt was missing was that they didn't talk about his poor puck possession stats

 

[Cas]

We currently have 7 LHD's signed and assigned to the minors. The only guy internally that I see as a possibility to come in and be an LHD as well is probably Axel Landen. They may be able to carve out another year out of Pulli if they see something there but I don't know what they'd see personally. I'd let him go.

Landen is a RHD.

The only LHD we have on the protected list are Sahlin Wallenius and Kashnikov. LSH seems to be doing fine but is an SHL second-rounder, so he's either NHL or SHL until he's 24, and Kashnikov appears to be washing out of the KHL at 21 after two years there, so I doubt he's much of an option. Nobody who is a realistic option for the Barracuda in the next couple of years.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Landen is a RHD.

The only LHD we have on the protected list are Sahlin Wallenius and Kashnikov. LSH seems to be doing fine but is an SHL second-rounder, so he's either NHL or SHL until he's 24, and Kashnikov appears to be washing out of the KHL at 21 after two years there, so I doubt he's much of an option. Nobody who is a realistic option for the Barracuda in the next couple of years.

I made a mistake reading Puckpedia. I don't think either of those two will be coming over which is sort of why I think they can carve out another year for Pulli if they want. I'd prefer to use the space bringing two of Fisher, Havelid, Landen, Misskey, and Pohlkamp. I suppose you could throw Barnett in that group but it doesn't seem like he's doing enough to earn a contract. I think the two in the lead for that right now would be Landen and Pohlkamp.

 

[Cas]

I made a mistake reading Puckpedia. I don't think either of those two will be coming over which is sort of why I think they can carve out another year for Pulli if they want. I'd prefer to use the space bringing two of Fisher, Havelid, Landen, Misskey, and Pohlkamp. I suppose you could throw Barnett in that group but it doesn't seem like he's doing enough to earn a contract. I think the two in the lead for that right now would be Landen and Pohlkamp.

I don't think Havelid or Landed can come over to play in the AHL (NHL-SHL transfer agreement), Barnett doesn't realistically have NHL potential, and at this point i'd be shocked if Fisher even has pro potential, as he's gone back to Junior A after a total flop of a freshman year in yhe NCAA.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I don't think Havelid or Landed can come over to play in the AHL (NHL-SHL transfer agreement), Barnett doesn't realistically have NHL potential, and at this point i'd be shocked if Fisher even has pro potential, as he's gone back to Junior A after a total flop of a freshman year in yhe NCAA.

It might mean that they bring in Misskey then to fill in or if they feel it's not worth it, they can bring in a vet AHL RHD to fill the gap. I suspect Pohlkamp is pretty much guaranteed to be one as long as he wants to go pro.

 

[Cas]

It might mean that they bring in Misskey then to fill in or if they feel it's not worth it, they can bring in a vet AHL RHD to fill the gap. I suspect Pohlkamp is pretty much guaranteed to be one as long as he wants to go pro.

If they think Pohlkamp is pro-ready (and it seems he might be), I'm happy to bring him in. Misskey looks like he's going to be ready for the pro test too.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

If they think Pohlkamp is pro-ready (and it seems he might be), I'm happy to bring him in. Misskey looks like he's going to be ready for the pro test too.

I think Pohlkamp is talented enough to earn an NHL spot if he turns pro with us for next season. We look like we'll have the opening in the lineup.

 

[Juxtaposer]

I think Pohlkamp is talented enough to earn an NHL spot if he turns pro with us for next season. We look like we'll have the opening in the lineup.

I think Pohlkamp should do another year of college to be honest. Dickinson and Cagnoni will be pushing for NHL roster spots (along with a hopefully established Mukhamadullin), so I don't think there's really a spot for Pohlkamp on the Sharks even if he could make it. Don't want half your D to be 20 year olds, that's never a recipe for success. Let him spend one more NCAA season as The Guy for Denver once Buium leaves before turning pro.

Speaking of Pohlkamp, here's an excerpt from a recent EP article on Denver's dominance this season:

Another essential blue liner, who holds down the second pair and gets a bunch of power play minutes, is transfer Eric Pohlkamp, who starred for Bemidji State last year and entered the portal over the summer. Denver won that recruiting battle with North Dakota — perhaps in part because Carle coached the defender at World Juniors last year — and has reaped immediate benefits. He plays about 21 minutes a night. Denver is outscoring opponents 14-3 when he's out there, and he's already got four goals and five assists. Pohlkamp is one of seven Denver players running at a point a game or better, and the fact that he and Buium are out there for two-thirds of the game is hell for other teams.

"He's been a great addition, a great kid," Carle said. "Teammates really, really have taken a liking to him early on and obviously, you see what he can do on the ice. He does it at both ends of the ring, he's physical, blocking shots with his face, and scores goals."

Really the only concern I have for him is his speed. He's on the smaller end but quite physical despite that and plays a super competitive, high-octane style.

 

[Lebanezer]

I think Pohlkamp should do another year of college to be honest. Dickinson and Cagnoni will be pushing for NHL roster spots (along with a hopefully established Mukhamadullin), so I don't think there's really a spot for Pohlkamp on the Sharks even if he could make it. Don't want half your D to be 20 year olds, that's never a recipe for success. Let him spend one more NCAA season as The Guy for Denver once Buium leaves before turning pro.

Speaking of Pohlkamp, here's an excerpt from a recent EP article on Denver's dominance this season:


Really the only concern I have for him is his speed. He's on the smaller end but quite physical despite that and plays a super competitive, high-octane style.

So what you're telling me is that next year the defense will look like this (ignoring that you said Pohlkamp should go back to college):

Mukhamadullin-Schaefer
Cagnoni-Liljegren
Dickinson-Pohlkamp

 

[coooldude]

Really the only concern I have for him is his speed. He's on the smaller end but quite physical despite that and plays a super competitive, high-octane style.

Speed is absolutely fair, however on size, he's already 205lbs at 5'11" aged 20, and so therefore he's kind of on the Zetterlund "fridge on skates" track (Zetts is 25 and 220, I thought he was younger...) That can help him significantly with battling, but you're right it's still one of the concerns.

I'm with you on keeping him down, or putting him in the AHL. Thompson needs runway here to see if he can lock down the 3rd RD slot on the big club. Probably Cagnoni v Thompson is a decision, even though it's LD/RD, because you only need one offensively-minded PP2 kind of guy, and the rest of the roster fills in from there.

We're possibly going to have the same kind of logjam on D that we have on F, which is that we have a lot of young kids ready for a protected bottom pair role but don't want to put them all in at once. Dick, Mukh, and Cagnoni on the left means I wouldn't be surprised to see one of them moved, especially if we end up with Schaefer. Best outcome here is that Ferraro is moved and Mukh establishes as a not-charmin-soft 2nd pairing LD, leaving Thrun and Cagnoni/Dick to battle it out on the third pairing left side (in all likelihood Dick goes AHL for the full season tho).

On the Right, In all likelihood Ceci is gone at the TDL leaving a hole at 1/2RD, but you are 100% right that we don't want both Thompson and Pohlkamp on the roster behind Lily. God help us if that means somehow Rutta is still around next year.

So what you're telling me is that next year the defense will look like this (ignoring that you said Pohlkamp should go back to college):

Mukhamadullin-Schaefer
Cagnoni-Liljegren
Dickinson-Pohlkamp

If we draft Schaefer, no way that he is in the NHL as a young 18 year old. AHL at best.

Mukh has a long way to go to establish himself. I think given my musings above it's:

Walman-Lily
Mukh-Rutta/Thompson (or RD sign/trade)
Thrun/Cags-Thompson/Pohlkamp (more likely Rutta or a different RD trade/signing)

You wouldn't see Mukh, Cags, Thompson, and Pohlkamp in the lineup all at once. Thrun has more of a chance of sticking than people give him credit for.

AHL: Dickinson, maybe Schaefer

 

[Juxtaposer]

So what you're telling me is that next year the defense will look like this (ignoring that you said Pohlkamp should go back to college):

Mukhamadullin-Schaefer
Cagnoni-Liljegren
Dickinson-Pohlkamp

I would send Schaefer back to the OHL for another season simply because he's extremely young for his draft year and a bit slight. He doesn't have a man's body yet like Dickinson does.

Walman-Liljegren
Mukhamadullin-UFA/trade target/maybe re-sign Ceci
Dickinson-Thompson
Cagnoni

Rotate Dickinson and Cagnoni into and out of the lineup as needed. Launch Ferraro into the sun. Maybe use Thrun as a trade chip after camp if he's beaten out by Dickinson and/or Cagnoni?

Speed is absolutely fair, however on size, he's already 205lbs at 5'11" aged 20, and so therefore he's kind of on the Zetterlund "fridge on skates" track (Zetts is 25 and 220, I thought he was younger...) That can help him significantly with battling, but you're right it's still one of the concerns.

I'm with you on keeping him down, or putting him in the AHL. Thompson needs runway here to see if he can lock down the 3rd RD slot on the big club. Probably Cagnoni v Thompson is a decision, even though it's LD/RD, because you only need one offensively-minded PP2 kind of guy, and the rest of the roster fills in from there.

We're possibly going to have the same kind of logjam on D that we have on F, which is that we have a lot of young kids ready for a protected bottom pair role but don't want to put them all in at once. Dick, Mukh, and Cagnoni on the left means I wouldn't be surprised to see one of them moved, especially if we end up with Schaefer. Best outcome here is that Ferraro is moved and Mukh establishes as a not-charmin-soft 2nd pairing LD, leaving Thrun and Cagnoni/Dick to battle it out on the third pairing left side (in all likelihood Dick goes AHL for the full season tho).

On the Right, In all likelihood Ceci is gone at the TDL leaving a hole at 1/2RD, but you are 100% right that we don't want both Thompson and Pohlkamp on the roster behind Lily. God help us if that means somehow Rutta is still around next year.

If we draft Schaefer, no way that he is in the NHL as a young 18 year old. AHL at best.

Mukh has a long way to go to establish himself. I think given my musings above it's:

Walman-Lily
Mukh-Rutta/Thompson (or RD sign/trade)
Thrun/Cags-Thompson/Pohlkamp (more likely Rutta or a different RD trade/signing)

You wouldn't see Mukh, Cags, Thompson, and Pohlkamp in the lineup all at once. Thrun has more of a chance of sticking than people give him credit for.

AHL: Dickinson, maybe Schaefer

Unfortunately neither Dickinson nor Schaefer is AHL eligible. OHL or NHL for both.

I'd like the Cuda to try out Cagnoni on the right side for an extended stretch. Given his play style, he might be the kind of lefty that thrives on his off-side like Hughes or Dahlin. I've also seen Mukhamadullin on the right a little bit recently, since he's paired with another lefty in Schuldt, but I'm not sure that's on purpose.

Ultimately, some of these guys aren't going to work out. But if we were to end up with Schaefer, then between Schaefer/Dickinson/Mukhamadullin/Cagnoni I think we'd be absolutely set on the left side, and the right side could be decent enough with Liljegren, Thompson, and Pohlkamp. With that kind of lefty depth and high-end skill, all the right side has to be is solid. I've liked Liljegren so far and feel like tentatively pencilling him in beyond his contract, but obviously things can wildly change in two years.

 

[matt trick]

Pretty sure Schaefer (for two years) can't be in the AHL, same for Dickinson (for one year) due to the same rule affecting Musty this year. Halttunen and Cagnoni are a bit older which is why they could play in the AHL this year even though they were also '23 picks. Yup, Jux confirmed while I was posting.

Dickinson is wayy too good for the OHL next year. I wouldn't mind letting him cook for one more year, but it can't be the OHL, so he's likely in the NHL.

Also, think we should be targeting a physical top 4 RHD in trade/free agency/Trouba off waivers. If they're the right fit to bring along Dickinson/Muk/Schaefer, I wouldn't mind two guys, especially if one is Trouba (just a year left). Trouba for next year, and a guy like Borgen on a 4 year deal.

I believe Schaefer plays both sides, and Cagnoni has at least played a bit of RHD. That said, I'd like to have vets playing with the top three kids on defense. Grier really has done an admirable job of getting quality NHL guys with Walman, Ceci, Liljigren, Thompson, and Thrun.

 

[Juxtaposer]

Pretty sure Schaefer (for two years) can't be in the AHL, same for Dickinson (for one year) due to the same rule affecting Musty this year. Halttunen and Cagnoni are a bit older which is why they could play in the AHL this year even though they were also '23 picks. Yup, Jux confirmed while I was posting.

Dickinson is wayy too good for the OHL next year. I wouldn't mind letting him cook for one more year, but it can't be the OHL, so he's likely in the NHL.

Also, think we should be targeting a physical top 4 RHD in trade/free agency/Trouba off waivers.

I believe Schaefer plays both sides, and Cagnoni has at least played a bit of RHD. That said, I'd like to have vets playing with the top three kids on defense. Grier really has done an admirable job of getting quality NHL guys with Walman, Ceci, Liljigren, Thompson, and Thrun.

I've never personally seen Schaefer on his off-side, but he strikes me as someone who could do it. Probably wouldn't want him to make the switch full-time, but if we needed to ice Dickinson-Schaefer and Mukhamadullin-Cagnoni in crunch time when the bench is shortened, I feel like that would be doable.

 

[Cas]

Pretty sure Schaefer (for two years) can't be in the AHL, same for Dickinson (for one year) due to the same rule affecting Musty this year. Halttunen and Cagnoni are a bit older which is why they could play in the AHL this year even though they were also '23 picks. Yup, Jux confirmed while I was posting.

Dickinson is wayy too good for the OHL next year. I wouldn't mind letting him cook for one more year, but it can't be the OHL, so he's likely in the NHL.

Halttunen could play in the AHL because he was drafted out of the Liiga - he's only a month older than Musty and won't turn 20 until next summer. Only CHL players (and SHL players drafted after the first round) have restrictions on when they can play in the AHL (and the restrictions are different).

Maybe we'll be able to "send" Dickinson (and hypothetically Schaefer) to the NCAA for a season.

 

[matt trick]

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Halttunen could play in the AHL because he was drafted out of the Liiga - he's only a month older than Musty and won't turn 20 until next summer. Only CHL players (and SHL players drafted after the first round) have restrictions on when they can play in the AHL (and the restrictions are different).

Maybe we'll be able to "send" Dickinson (and hypothetically Schaefer) to the NCAA for a season.

That's right, thank you for the correction. Cagnoni could because he's a late birthday though, correct? There's not some other obscure rule I'm forgetting?

Your point on the NCAA is kind of what I had in mind. It's fewer games but I think it'd be more competitive. That's the type of the thing that would drive the CHL absolute bananas. I like drafting young for draft year players, but for elite D prospects (Dickinson, Schaefer) it can result in 2 or 3 years of completely dominating your own age groups.

Dickinson could improve (more offense, controlling the play) this year, but could imagine sending him back next year if he hits 1.4 PPG while being excellent defensively? Don't see much benefit.

 

[BaileyMacTavish]

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